Rumoured to be getting Justin Morgan in as a replacement for TM

IMO a very very bad move!

Talk about going backwards

Didnt Gareth Ellis say that he would like to finish his career at Cas, or was that nonsense.

He has come out and said that on a number of occasions.

I agree.

I would like to see Brian noble at Cas.

I would seriously worry about our future if we ended up with Justin Morgan, he seems to have gone downhill at HKR over the past year or so. His recruitment skills leave a lot to be desired

Justin Morgan cant do anything wrong in my eyes and would be great IMO for Cas.
Seems he might be sacked tomorrow morning from Rovers so he must be on the list for you guys.
I would be sad to see him go but life goes on.

Mixed feelings if we appoint Morgan, a fresh start could work wonders for him & for us,however if he comes to us the board should make it very clear that the young,local players shouldn't be sacrificed for over the hill Australians on European passports.

That and a condition that he brings Dobson with him to partner Rangi.

Do you really want Morgan? He's achieved a lot at Rovers but his team plays "safety first" rugby based on its kicking game, to make the opposition play in their own half and wait for them to make mistakes. Hardly in the best traditions of Classy Cas.

Nope. Dont want Morgan. Want Noble.

Noble is always going to be first choice for me. Although I don't think I would put Morgan in my top 3 at all

I'd welcome Kear, Noble or Morgan in that order. Whilst we have all remained very patient with TM, I've never really rated him. We keep playing the same plays week after week, year after year. Put TM in charge of such as Wakey, in their current climate, I very much doubt he would have motivated or achieved the same as Kear has so far this year.

Rightly or wrongly I like to see a coach who shows his passion about our team. It rubs off on the team in terms of spirit, determination and conviction to each and every play they make. I've heard 101 excuses why TM is so in-animate in his approach to each of our games. It's not his style....it means nothing etc etc I've heard them all!!

However he could be seen leaping for joy when the Exiles got the late final score the other week. So what's the difference? Why did he show this passion for them, yet nothing for us?

Yeah that Wayne Bennett was well known for his passion, dancing up and down the touchline; terrible coach.

I have to disagree, TM does get passionate about Cas. I do think it's time for change though. Mainly for defensive reasons for me.

I can recall plenty of occasion where tm has jumped up and down when we have won so i dont where you get that from if he ever gets to coach a club that is spending full cap he will win a trophy or 2 imho. The fact that he has made us regular play off contenders with one of the smallest budgets in the league says alot about him as a coach.

As for kear, give him a team of no hopers and he will get them over achieve give him a big money team and he will underachieve as we fall somewhere in the middle who knows what he will bring to us but i can guarantee that if we had kear as coach we would be far less entertaining to watch.

It would be interesting if TM left Cas at the end of the year, yet decided that he wanted to stay in the game in the UK. Does anyone think he would get a coaching position elsewhere in SL?

Aren't you saying exactly the same about TM and JK, in terms of working with a small budget team??

Yet your comments about expected results with a big money team are into crystal ball territory in both cases? TM being given an un-proven benefit of doubt....where as JK being unfairly shot down?

Kear had the full cap to spend at hull and cc cup aside didnt do very well with what he had, and the reason he won that cc final for me is that his team were underdogs, when jk coaches a team that are favorites he does not have a good record.

As a bloke i have alot of time for kear but i dont want him to coach cas we would have boring rugby every week and i dont think he would do any better than tm in regards to where we finish, who no matter what you say about him has got us playing as classy cas again. Under kear i have no doubt our defense would improve but our attack would drop off dramitically.

As we all know, you can't put a top 3 team together in 1 year...Full salary cap or not!! Getting to a CC final is a result in its self in the 1st year. Hence saying that he would underachieve with a well resourced team seems a bit harsh, based on one season at Hull. Conversely saying that TM would do much better in the same circumstances is a bit optomistic, and un-substantiated. Aswell as the promotion that TM helped us acheive, he was also at the helm for a relegation. Something that JK has managed to avoid for Wakey.

So, with this in mind do we really know what JK's brand of rugby would be with a well resourced team in his 2nd or 3rd term in charge? Don't get me wrong, I like to see some flair out there on the pitch but it doesn't excite me quite as much as a weak defence annoys me!

He's a Cas lad, give him the same chance that we all want our local lads to be given on the field.

You talk about taking a few years for a coach to build a side, in 2006 tm had to work with a team that had been put together by others and despite that he got 19 points and 11th position place i dont think there are many coaches that could have done much better in the same situation.

As i said the idea that tm would do well with more resources is just my opinion.

One other thing that i think tm gives us over kear is bringing the kids through, i know kear has played alot of kids this year but only becuase he was forced to originally kear had planed to have 10 (or 11 i cant quite remember) overseas players in his team. Tm has brought through owen, westerman, boyle, clark, milner, arundel, walker, holmes and thompson and made much better players out of huby and shenton, and has players like eden, davies and massey coming through next. kear would fill our team with motu tonys and jeremy smiths and thats not what i want to see.

well everyone has there own opinion but i prefer to see a good attack than a good defence (and for the record although as i have said i think kear would improve our defence i dont think he would do so to a great extent, maybe 100-150 points a season while i think we would lose 200-300 points off our attack).

The fact that kear is a cas lad shouldnt come into it are you saying that tm would be a better coach if he came from cas?

200-300 of our attack? ha ha

obviously its an estimation but i reckon on average we would score two tries (8-12 points) less a game.

Aren't you contradicting yourself here. In one breath you are priasing TM for bringing our own kids through, and the next breath suggesting that it shouldn't matter if Kear is a Cas lad or not. So it matters if the kids are from our area, but not if the coaches are from our area?? Or with the same reverse twist that you applied to my point, would Kear in your eyes be a better coach if he was an Aussie?

Again I am seeing pro TM points of view given with a 'rose tint' and the same arguments being held against JK. TM has brought his fair share of cronies into the team, and there are just as many stories about how some youngsters faces have fit with TM, and some haven't and hence they have left the club. Liam watts might be on reasonable example.

Opinions will vary, however I think that JK is worthy of a 2 or 3 years stint at Cas. He's achieved a higher SL positional finish than TM ever has with Cas, with arguably less resources. The 11th spot that you refer to with TM, that's only 1 above bottom. It doesn't give him much in terms of bragging rights. Rumour has it that JK has already been to Cas with cap in hand over the past couple of years and been turned away, so I guess we'll never know.

I'm not contradicting myself at all, plying young local kids is different from having a local coach, one is a stated requirement from the rfl and is vital to our future one is neither of those things.

I dont think tm is a better coach because hes an aussie i think hes a better coach because he is better. The sentimentality of where kear comes from is irrelevant for us picking a coach.

It would be just as easy for me to say that you are looking at kear through rose tinted glasses and you havent demonstrated anyway how kear will be an improvement as ocach other than he's a local lad, mark astons a cas lad but i dont think he is upto the job either. If we are going to bring a cas lad into our coaching set up i would like to see anderson being made our assistant with a view to being the head coach if he proves himself.

Who would be the 'fair share of cronies' tm has brought in?

Not every academy player makes it with there local side, and thats true for every team in the competition, we have emmit for instance who has been great for us, does that mean the saints coach who let him go is a poor one. As i understand it watts was let go becuase him and westy were as thick as thieves and even though it was more down to westy we let watts go to try and keep westy on the straight and narrow, which at the time imo opinion was a good decision (with no benefit of hindsight). Equally i've heard plenty of stories of kear leaving good kids in the reserves and playing overseas players instead.

At the end of the day some players will respond to different coaches differently, ferres has developed far more under tm than he did under kear, while grix has become much better at hudds.

I dont think when kear finished 5th he had less resources, i think he had more he had the likes of brough, drew, rooney, leo latu, obst in key positions and much more depth.

I dont think we can afford to have jk for 2 or 3 years as if we have 2 or 3 poor years we wont get a franchise, we have consistantly finished mid table in the last 3 years (when tm had the chance to build a good team as apposed to the ones thrown together from the scraps the other clubs left us with in 2006 and 200icon_cool.gif.

11th maybe only one off bottom but that alot more than most coaches of promoted teams have managed and he was only 1 point of 10th (and only 3 behind 8th) which considering tm inherited someone elses team and had to use 2 halfbacks that werent up to the job for much of the season.