Oh no, wasn't at the meeting and all can add is that I consider the source to be very reliable, if they weren't I would not have posted it!

Arghh, ok, is the next post where you tell me that if I wasn't at the meeting how would I know, or am I being unfair?

I'm also assuming that your 'source' was not at the meeting, but has been told by his 'source', who wasn't at the meeting, who was told be his 'source' about what happened (or maybe there are a few more links in the chain?). Being honest I think you make a lot of assumptions about what happened using your good knowledge of planning and construction, some of which may be accurate but some of which, as is the case with assumptions, are inaccurate. Unfortunately we all know that as a story passes down the chain, the truth gets swamped by embellishment and exaggeration.

Hi allmatt... where have you been mate?



If you are talking about WR... then source is good (IMO of course

) and they don't have an axes to grind (at least I don't think they do?) and I have no reason to doubt the information given. I was a little surprised that it was quite as badly received as it was but, apparently, they were told this was not 'in the plan' at all for this area and that they (the planners) would take some convincing it was suitable for this location. They did say though, I understand, that they are not totally closed to the idea but because this whole area is subject to massive longer term development plans (which the housing planning they already have, were part of) unless other things came on line, other developers/land owners being willing to also help impact of the infrastructure, more options etc then it was possible but it was not going to be resolved overnight, far from it. They were talking as much as 3 to 5 years (which even I was surprised at!) to get this through.



This is a different subject!



However, firstly they are clearly still putting the posted (rather than online comments) letters up because last time I looked it was around 100... and I was surprised it was that low, but this look a bit better. Is the LDF going to plain sailing, no, not at all but because of other sites as well, not just this one. Do I (and Wakefield Council) think it will probably get approved, yes, but we could be wrong again!



I think this comes back to the numbers game and it not being about one. You know I don't believe in the numbers game, even though I have played it...under duress! The problem still remains that not one person (well possibly one other developer, but suspect he is upset at not getting his in the LDF for valid reasons) has suggested an alternative site and this is the bit they have missed... well, that is the problem, there isn't something to miss, because their does not appear to be one!

Again, the challenge, if anyone can suggest one then they better (in wedding stylee) declare it, or forever hold their peace. Remember, the choice is 95ha of B8 on the M62 corridor, so you need to find an alternative 51 ha to replace Newmarket. You can't opt out, as much as they seem to think they can, it is in the book, legal and has to be fulfilled. Anyone????

Also, in actual fact their have been only about 20 + objects to the site, there have been 140+ objections to the soundness of the document in respect of the site... a subtle but big difference. So they are saying that it is not sound and will be asked by the inspector to tell him why... and the answer is? Also, there will be 3 to 4 speakers for and 3 to 4 against maximum. I think he will want the actual Newmarket residents to speak as one (we know who will do that) and I think he will let Methley Residents Assoc speak and maybe a group from Bottomboat and then after that, I am struggling... maybe Wakefield Civic Society (although they are, I understand, a little divided on the issue). Then he will let Residents For Newmarket speak (he is a nice guy I understand), SWAG, The Trust/Club and Wakefield Council. This will not be a free for all!

I'm sure that's what everyone on here wanted to hear!!

All I will say again is that you should not ass/u/me anything. It is close and credible, you can choose to not believe me if you wish and that is fine. If it was not stronger, much stronger, than you suggest I would not have posted it.

You are all missing something vital here BTW. I posted this because I thought it might go some way to galvanising Cas supporters to understand the stupid situation the RFL are creating for both clubs and that maybe things were not as clear as the majority of RL supporters think.

I 100% support RW in looking to get a commercial sale price for his land because at the moment, that is the best option and will indeed probably see Cas build a new Stadium at GH or even at WR. This is the important bit that the RFL appear to be missing, the global economic situation has created a situation for Cas and Wakey that because, unlike most other clubs, their Local Council have not been able to give major financial support they have to go and look elsewhere. Now a small minority of Cas fans, after banging on about Yorkcourt funding a stadium, what for, blah, blah, find themselves at the behest of a company that is in exactly the same business as Yorkcourt and now find that ok? It is BTW, the best way to get both clubs new stadiums.

Castleford and Wakey should be given another three years to in SL to sort this out, this false promise stuff thrown about by some is rubbish, they are both trying bloody hard to make this work and the fact that the economic world has not be turning very fast over the last 2/3 years seems to have passed the RFL by. Now they might both do this outside of SL but this more rsiky and I don't think the RFL should be playing Russian Roulette with it's member clubs. A 15 team SL is the option that both sets of fans should be joining together to promote... even Ray French is not wrong all the time!

And do you think that Opus can get a £50m development (which is more than a big Tesco's... I know how much they cost, and it less than half that) through planning by Christmas 2011 let alone Christmas 2012?

Wakefield will either be up crap street or building a new stadium... I wish I knew which one it would be, but even I am not that [delbrave[/del foolish!

BARMY ARMY!!!

We await RW's next update with interest.

I'm kind of bored now of coming on this forum to be greeted to "An evening with with Inflatable_Armadillo - agree with what he says or he will continue to preach".

We've read what you have to say, now get back to your lego/stickle bricks as the structural engineering industry needs you! (more than this forum does anyway)

Not before end of July would be my prediction... who are you BTW?

I'm sure RW will relay some "news" before then, but you are right, the next 3 years hinges on what happens at the end of July.



It's difficult at times!!

It seems that everyone has forgotten about the plans that Carleton Lanes already have for the roundabout which would ease tension down there. They were planning on knocking down several buildings down there and also building onto the argos car park too.....?

I'm seriously close to giving up on this game.

Even in a year when we have a good team, some great young prospects for the future, an upper-mid-table league position, and sponsors beating the door down, we are still saddled with the unbearable stress of whether or not we will be granted a superleague licence because we can't magic up £12m from nowhere to fund a construction project.

It's nothing to do with sport, and it's not why I hand my money over every weekend.

Well done to the RFL for sucking all the fun out of Rugby League. If Cas don't get a licence I will never watch another game of RL as long as I live, because it's not sport and it's not fun.

Well said that man, the RFL are playing Russian Roulette with two clubs that are trying their bloody hardest to go forward. They are are not helping by actually forcing these clubs in to spending both time and money on defending their positions when they could be putting that time and effort into working on their plans for new stadia.

The sooner that both sets of fans wake up and smell the bloody coffee the better... this is not about Cas v Wakey, it should be about Cas and Wakey v the RFL!

I think the ground issue on both sides as been done to death by both sets of fans and it getting really boring! there is nothing any of us can do about it, both sets of fans need to grow up and form some sort of action group hell bent on keeping both clubs in SL or we risk at least 10 to 15,000 people being lost to the game.

According to a friend of a friends uncle Dave's, sisters, brothers pet rabbit it doesnt matter if FULL planning permission takes 5 years as long as Outline PP goes through the funds will be given to CT from Opus. The reason the council were a bit cagey about it all is that Opus have many different tenders for the project and cover a wide range of different sizes and plans and different impacts on the area. They were basically too vague at this point as to what was actually going to be put on the site.

Once outline PP is granted full PP will follow relatively quickly. But it is thought that it will be at least 3 years before any decision either will be reached on outline PP when you consider the high likelihood of it going to the secretary of state if it is attempted to be rushed through. Thats if the council let it get that far, they were less than impressed with the idea at present i'm afraid and theres a lot of work to do to come up with a plan that is acceptable to all parties. Sadly these things don't take five minutes and Opus are in know rush as it is not costing them anything to sit on a deal for a while. If fact with land prices showing no sign of significantly rising in the short term then it would be in their interest to develop the land further down the line. I think it will be developed at some point but it won't be in the near future.

Well put Baz, it's obvious from his many postings that IA is well and truly anti Cas, why would he try to stir things up about the Wheldon Road development if that wasn't his position?
This sleight of hand by IA, trying to shift the focus from the wildcats financial demise with his third or fourth hand, fly on the wall revelations and suppositions are nothing short of scandalous. If this man was pro Cas, then why on earth would he come on here with such utterings? it's obvious that he has go into bed with the wildcats and will do all he can to try to derail our license application and try to put a positive spin on anything and everything the wildcats do? Fortunately the RFL are not stupid enough to be swayed by such tittle tattle and the Castleford Tigers application will be judged on its merits, as will that of the wildcats.
You've shown your hand once again IA and your trolling is not welcome here, as you say you live near NM so concentrate your efforts on that site and keep out of our business!

Can't disagree with any of that mate, spot on! This will get the nod eventually, it is just going to take much longer that RW is currently prepared to reveal... for obvious reason and I don't blame him to some extent.

You are not getting this at all are you!!!

I am really trying to help the fans of both clubs understand why they need to join together to fight the RFL not each other. You just stay in that bubble of yours and ignore this then and take the risk that Savills report will not uncover this and throw some major spanners into your SL application, just as big, if not bigger than Newmarket has done with Wakefield.

You will also clearly not be interested in knowing and think I am making things up when a friend and fellow industry professional has told me this morning that they (and many others) have been asked to and will be submitting (actually, it might have already have gone back, not sure) a fee proposal for one of the consulting packages for the planning application design work. They have been asked to submit their fee proposals for an approx 65,000 sq ft retail (not total area, just retail space) plus associated storage, service yard and car parking for a superstore and possible PFS on the WR site.

OR... am just making this up???

That is what they showed the planning officers and the planning officers have issues. Simple as!

This will happen in some form or other, I am sure, but not for quite a while yet... WAKE UP people or just keep taking the ostrich approach and put your heads in the sands... it might work and get you a license... or it might not!

Welcome to our world.

Some of them are maybe getting this now... but it would appear many are not bren2K!

It is easier to slag me off and than realise that this is about helping them wake up to the actual situation! Oh well!

Despite what you might think IA you are not the only person who uses the forum who has letters after their name, is a proffesional or holds a position high up the managerial chain.

Having read through all of your extremely long winded posts on what you supposedly know as a fact about a prelimanry meeting to discuss Cas's new outline planning application, which by your own admission you didnt actually attend, I could write a long and detailed counter argument, but I think it would be far simpler and painless all round to simply................

..........call you a to**er.