We didn't attend yesterday's match but reading reports it is said that at one stage the penalty count was 15-1 against Fax. Even with our poor discipline that's going some! Can anyone expand on this?

Wow, that even beat ours against Toronto!

Incorrect. The final penalty count as reported by League Express and League Weekly was 10-8 in Fev's favour.

5 of our penalties being given in the final 10 minutes. evening it up

Of course.... it was the refs fault

No that was when Fax got a penalty for Fev being offside and Tyer booted it over on the last play to pinch it a couple of years back and the Ref had to be escorted of the field.

Ah, that didn't beat ours against Toronto. If you are going to be indisciplined, please do it properly!

Thought the ref was reasonable. The crowd worked hard and pushed him which is what happens. Yes there was a forward pass for the wingers try but I don't think we can complain. To be honest we could have received a Right drubbing.

Thought the ref and the assistants got it right for the majority of the match - I think the penalty count went against Fax as they spent most of the first half defending there line with little possession.

Ref was ok and in no way influenced the outcome.My only gripe was 2 very soft penalties in the lead up to the 2nd try compounded by a blatant forward pass which i blame the pointless flagwaver as it was right infront of him.At that point if Fev were properly honed it could easily have been 20+ at halftime.Murrell missing touch at that point was a disgrace,if not being fit enough to take to the field wasn't bad enough.

Not just me who thought muzza was unfit then

My point wasn't about the fairness or not of the officials decisions, it was more about Fax's discipline, which is poor season on season with no improvement in sight.

Think our discipline was ok on the whole Sunday.We did have one challenge put on report though.

The problem is people confusing speed with fitness. Muzza is as fit as most players on the team you really do not have to worry about that.

Can't agree, Muzzas fitness has been subsiding for 2/3 years.The general fitness showed in second half(example can anyone claim Barber isn't overweight ?).Only mitigating factor was the initial 20 minute onslaught took out a lot of petrol.

I honestly think its a joke that people even question his fitness. Last season he was one of the highest rated players at the club during pre-season fitness wise and I wouldnt expect this year to be any different. His legs might be gone(not that he ever was the fastest) but nothing wrong with his fitness.

It would be great to have an half with some pace and score the spectacular try or two but then if there was an half available like that he most likely wouldn't be coming to Fax as we couldn't afford him and he would rather be in SL even if we could.

So no half back to rip it up leaves us with a half who can lead from the front, organise and move the team round the park which is really his main job anyway.

Does Mozza fit the bill??????

Season too far IMO,especially with BJ as partner.

The penalty count is always against both teams.

It's one of the great mysteries of Rugby League.

I believe one of the reason RM let the other half backs at the club have a run out without Mozza in the warm up games was to see if they could successfully lead the team round the field without him so in that sense he gave them first chance and was still left unconvinced, which put him basically back to as we were or use dual reg.

I also believe RM did not take Mitch Clark specifically to keep a DR spot open for an half back.

We haven't got unlimited options and certainly can't buy our way to solving the varies problems, RM has given a lot of thought on how to do so with the cards he holds but there are going to be some gaps.

BJ took a heavy knock to the head on Sunday so we may see the next 6 and 7 pairing if he doesn't recover or pass the concussion test.

What worries me is getting the right combo to click even if we can find it can't take too long or we will be left behind.

Yes, that's how I read it and very true even though it's been a constant topic of conversation between coach and players.

In fairness, arguably the biggest asset of our threequarters is their dynamism at the play-the-ball when tackled - Briscoe, Robinson and Taulapapa have all been racking up the penalties in pre-season, they all take a bit of putting down and are very proactive at going for fast play-the-balls so I don't think you'll be the last team to concede a bunch of penalties around the ruck to us.

Absolutely, the term win the penalty comes to mind but it’s more accurate to say win the right to a quick play the ball in this setting and Rovers won the ruck fair and square through their energy and we couldn’t handle it again.

It's blatantly obvious to anyone who's ever tied a bootlace that MUrrell is carrying an extra few pounds this year around his waist. (Fev crowd certainly spotted it! ) It is bound to impact on his fitness and his speed levels although downhill at Batley he will be good! It's loose forward for me to allow for an extra pivot using his hands. To be fair he always has been a good defender and he showed he has still got that.
Fev game showed us the speed around the pivots and we were left chasing shadows with Ridyard who likewise anyone can see has lost a few pounds and really looked in good shape and a few yards quicker for his try.
Bottom line is with the dual reg we can see the difference in physical fitness whether they can play better or not.

Just watched it again and being a bit sad I counted - was 11-9 to Fev