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| There you go Huddshay!
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| Quote ="freddies wig"There you go Huddshay!'"
Sorry David no disrespect intended but you have fallen into Hudds obsession, what is the point of holding a vote?
It's like the vote about "what shirt should we have"
If I remember correctly less than 100 people voted on that one.
If you want to hold a vote on this subject then add to
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"No"
"Whatever the board of directors in consultation with the head coach feel is best for the future of HRLFC"
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| Agree with John should be a shed load more options available. What about like was mentioned last night the likes of Adrian Morley going to Swinton and the positive effect he had around the place. Now I know perhaps its a bad example because Hull KR really dont have any world know stars but they have some who could have a good influence on our players again if used right. Im sure with Chester and Poaching at KR they will not take Fax for fools due to Chesters love for the club and Poachings relationship with Marshall.
As long as it means us getting better players than what we have playing for us and is done in the right way Im not too fussed. Like has been mentioned though if we use dual reg it is going to save some money on wages on match day so you can see with money so tight why the directors want it but you can also see why Marshall seems a bit sceptical as well.
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| I have voted no and yes I contradict my earlier post on here, but I say no purely as like many others I don't want to have our club dictated to by a SL club who we may end up playing in the spin drier league later on!
BUT I can also see why the club will have to give DR some thought as we have to compete with one hand tied behind our back with the much higher funding amounts being paid to Bradford & London plus bigger pots also to Leigh & Fev and DR might mean we get a player that gets us over that line for the 4th spot!
If we do have to go that way I hope its long term loans type players not 2 or 3 weeks then back to their parent club.
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| I hear what you're saying John, just set this up cos Huddshay asked. I agree it could do with more responses.
I have every faith that the board and coaching staff would only enter into any agreement that benefitted the club directly and that Halifax RLFC kept its identity.
That said, I voted no because I feel DR is an ill thought out and badly managed exercise by the RFL and SL clubs. If we support this who knows what they will introduce next? DR could be the thin end of the wedge!
I sometimes wonder if we are ashamed of why our sport was formed and where it came from...
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| Will be interesting if you go down this route and the reasoning for it as ours was a short term measure and think things like your selling your souls I would never go again and Fev Hypocrites was put on this forum.
On a serious note why would a club like Fax go down this route before the season has started does the new coach think he cannot compete with the team he has or has Mr Poskitt got his way
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| Quote ="jtfev"Will be interesting if you go down this route and the reasoning for it as ours was a short term measure and think things like your selling your souls I would never go again and Fev Hypocrites was put on this forum.
On a serious note why would a club like Fax go down this route before the season has started does the new coach think he cannot compete with the team he has or has Mr Poskitt got his way'"
Nowt to do with Poskitt.
Yes we don't want DR but we are over £500K down on teams we are playing against next season so how do you compete with that???
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| Quote ="freddies wig"There you go Huddshay!'"
I have voted no as would be expected. I have no obsession with DR, I just want my club to have nowt to do with the whole sorry mess that it is.
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| Quote ="Fax4Life"Nowt to do with Poskitt.
Yes we don't want DR but we are over £500K down on teams we are playing against next season so how do you compete with that???'"
We are down massively because we stuffed up last season.
What happens if we take KR players on DR and then have to face them in the middle 8, will we then have to start reassembling our side without them at a crucial point of the season.
Fundamentally though if the SL clubs didn't sign all these players they obviously don't seem to need then better players would be available to the Champ sides for less money therefore we should have better rugby and a better competition.
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| Quote ="halifaxjohn"
"Whatever the board of directors in consultation with the head coach feel is best for the future of HRLFC"
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And there within lies the problem JD. You enter into a DR tie-up & your club no longer has 100% control over team selection.
I voted NO.
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| Voted No as really don't like dual reg.
But trust the BOD to do what they feel is in the best interests of the club. As in my humble opinion a very difficult decision to make.
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| NO from me - dislike DR and the sorry mess that Batley got themselves into says it all for me. If we can't compete as Halifax then I would rather not bother.
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| As I understand what Richard said was, yes he felt Fax could benefit from DR but he would look more towards loan signings which could be season long with the SL club paying the wages of the player, thus Fax would benefit without the cost. It was also pointed out that Fev probably would not have finished 2nd without their loan players. I also note some of the posters were not at the Night. Lets not prejudge the issue.
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| Marshall made a case that he'd do whats right for the team, he doesn't want to be dicated to over who he should choose in his starting 13.
He also basically said that Warrington took the p**s out of Swinton, Marlon Billy kept quiet about this issue but i'm sure he too has an opinion.
Neil Arber gave a passionate response, but rightly said that if its a season long loan then that wouldn't quite be viewed as DR by many.
Last thing we want is players turning up for one game to get fit, perhaps we should team up with Hull KR or Wakey to make sure we don't get the likes of Briers or Morley!
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| Quote ="Brew"Marshall made a case that he'd do whats right for the team, he doesn't want to be dicated to over who he should choose in his starting 13.
He also basically said that Warrington took the p**s out of Swinton, Marlon Billy kept quiet about this issue but i'm sure he too has an opinion.
Neil Arber gave a passionate response, but rightly said that if its a season long loan then that wouldn't quite be viewed as DR by many.
Last thing we want is players turning up for one game to get fit, perhaps we should team up with Hull KR or Wakey to make sure we don't get the likes of Briers or Morley!'"
On the bolded bit I got the impression he meant it was used the correct way at Swinton with him using examples of how Morley was used and players like Briers and Bridge.
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| No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
Nodody should be following the dual reg route.
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| Quote ="Simfax"NO from me - dislike DR and the sorry mess that Batley got themselves into says it all for me. If we can't compete as Halifax then I would rather not bother.'"
What mess was that?
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| Firstly I am surprised that only 22 people have voted so far. Secondly I am amazed that 4 people have voted yes. Probably HJ and three bulls fans!
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| I have always been against dual reg because I felt it was another instance of super league taking over the game and always having the control over the clubs below.
I would be really against us going dual reg if it meant the super league club telling us who we played in our team.
I did think that Richard also wouldnt want this and he said not to think of it as dual reg but as loan signings.
we have in the past benefited from loan signings such as Flanagan from Wigan and Kopzcack from Bradford and Jacob Fairbank from Huddersfield and I think something along those lines would be fine if the players are with us for a decent period .
I thought Richard came across really well on Thursday and I for one cannot wait for the new season to start and I think the board have made a great decision with the new coach (jury still out on Poskitt though)
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| Quote ="charlies son"I have always been against dual reg because I felt it was another instance of super league taking over the game and always having the control over the clubs below.
I would be really against us going dual reg if it meant the super league club telling us who we played in our team.
I did think that Richard also wouldnt want this and he said not to think of it as dual reg but as loan signings.
we have in the past benefited from loan signings such as Flanagan from Wigan and Kopzcack from Bradford and Jacob Fairbank from Huddersfield and I think something along those lines would be fine if the players are with us for a decent period .
I thought Richard came across really well on Thursday and I for one cannot wait for the new season to start and I think the board have made a great decision with the new coach (jury still out on Poskitt though)'"
I agree with all of that. The only thing is though, DR is DR and the loan system is the loan system. Totally different things. Jubble Rooms, Sowerby Bridge. OMB Boneshaker 4.1% Mmm!
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| Quality loan signing for the season including the play offs, if we get into that top four, ok by me. Two match wonder getting fitness back, then off back to the SL club looks a disaster waiting to happen. Also let's see how are current squad goes before we start panicking about DR. That Easter period we will need some help playing London, Bradford and then a potential banana skin at Hunslet.
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| Quote ="Hudd-Shay"Firstly I am surprised that only 22 people have voted so far. Secondly I am amazed that 4 people have voted yes. Probably HJ and three bulls fans!
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As I said it's a none event, how many voted for the shirt?
As for deciding which way I voted, go back to my origional post!
Expand the choice and I might, just might vote.
I prefer to wait and see what happens, after all worrying about tomorrow spoils today, and I never spoil today.
Life is too brilliant.
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| In my humble opinion, this is a two way thing, D/R could give us bite where and when we need it. How many times have we heard the coach say "it's hard to plan for a game when you don't know who the opposition are playing?" I like other don't want to see 'Fax dictated to by other teams getting players fit only to take them back, on the flip side if D/R is used correctly and as has been mentioned like a loan we have used the 'short term loan' ie 3 or 4 weeks to our advantage, we even loaned players out to get them fit, only to recall when we needed them. a final point of 'loanee or D/R does it disrupt the dressing room, or players whose place is taken, it would pee me off if I was in or out depending on who wants a game. Give the BOD and the Coach some credit to operate the club to the best advantage for HRLFC.
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| My opinion is that normally "No" but circumstances may dictate things that many of us dont want. We dont have the Money that others have and Richard Marshall doesnt really have too much room to bring in his own Players this season as all of the signings, bar I think one, have been made with Karl Harrison. Richard may feel he Needs a certain Player to help the Team Play his way. From what a number of People tell me about RM he is somebody that doesnt just make decisions without thinking things through and is somebody that will spend hours looking at Videos and other things to help make his judgement on things. RM is a way better Coach than any of us and is highly regarded within the game and we are lucky to get somebody of his calibre speaking to People who are involved at top end of the game. Before we start judging People including the board we maybe Need to think why a decision- whether it be signing a DR or other things- has been made rather than just having a go.
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| The fax in Asia and the lucky black cat, superb comments thank you very much, seems our thoughts are very much alike.
None of this "if we do I'm finished" let's leave an open mind and judge what happened with the explanation we are given.
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