Probably just a way to get the Bulls back in once they have to kick 'em out.
Would be nice to play for something again though.

cant see SL clubs voting for this at all and doubt it will happen as big Nige wont want it either. The RFL will put spin on this report thing saying having looked at all options we believe that licences is right. Keeping teams out of SL who are well run like Fev and Fax is right over teams like Bradford that have massive crowds but no money and badly run is the way to go. I wouldnt trust the RFL to bring back P & R and I wont be getting my hopes up in the near or distant future.

Promotion play-off ? The Superleague side will win 90+% of these games. They're full time and have better players. Fact.

Ah, so that'd be a different occassion to the Fev v Cas challenge cup tie this season ? Yep, Cas definately have better players & Yes I reckon they're full-time pro's, now then Nigel Wood, what were you saying.....

I think the league leaders should automatically go up and swap with bottom of S/L and the second play third in our league winners play second bottom in S/L at home for a spot in S/l. This would keep bottom of S/L interesting and make them play until the end of season and would improve our league as you would need to finish in top 3

Thing is we all know the only way for P R is if they cut S/L down to 10 or 12 teams and I am led to believe this may happen

Yes, it'd be their 70-0 defeat to Saints last year. Did I say it'd never happen ? Check out all the $uperleague v Championship results over the last few years and tell me that's the best way for Fax to get promoted. You've got more chance under the present system.

Really?? Id take my chance at the end of this season in a game v London rather than the lack of transparency the licensing system appears to have!

I am not in a particular articulate mood tonight, so all I can say is bo**ocks.
Next cider please.

Ironic that Grif's 1998 in his tagline represents the biggest cup final upset in living memory......

Not one to usually sit on the fence but I can totally see both sides of the argument. I still feel getting whooped 70-0 would be somehow fairer though and the advantage would still be with the Superleague team much as it is now but concentrate on on the field efforts more.

But it would be the bottom SL team, yes they are full time, but surely the top Champ team would have to be capable of giving them a game, if not then there really is little point in bring back P&R anyway. We would have to ensure we are capable of turning up on the day and i think we probably would, I'd fancy ours/Fevs chances of giving London/Widnes a run for their money.

As long as there are limits to signing players on. i.e , London couldn't just now sign on a load of Wigan/saints/leeds players etc on a months loan just to help em out in a play off game v Fev/Fax/Leigh/Batley etc!
Similarly, the championship winners couldn't just sign on all wakey's surpluses!

Or possibly any other time.

Which suggests how rare an occurrence it might be.

Fine - you take your chances. One club promoted in maybe ten years. Compared with the current one in three. Personaly, I prefer better odds.

Yeah, but we're talking about a game at the end of the season. Before you've strengthened your team in the close season.

who says there is one going up every 3 years? they are taking up who they want when they want.
they took up the welsh because they wanted them, they took up widnes because of the fuss they kicked up and a few week after that the rfl said one team will come up next time and from then on everyone new it was widnes and if they hadnt of won the rail cup back then they would of changed that rule of needing to achieve just like they said later that tolouse dont need to win anything to appy because back then they were hoping they would be in a position to join too

I fear we're currently in a "one up every 10 years" scenario plus, as someone has rightly said, the goalposts can be moved at a whim to ensure exclusivity. Licensing has definitely given a lot of clubs a well needed kick up the backside though and I'm now all for keeping minimum standards as in Union.

The RFL.

Subject to meeting other conditions. Which will, no doubt, still be there if there is a return to promotion and relegation.

But how many of those have been top of the Champ v Bottom of Super League? Saints got to the grand final!!

Just remind me how we did against Batley in 2003 .......

And they were part time same as us!!

Must be my imagination but sure Fev and Barrow beat Cas and Fax took them to extra time. And Leigh was robbed against Crusaders. Barrow also came close to beating Wigan. But of course Griff thinks Championship clubs cant match SL clubs on or off the field...

Be careful what you wish for .........

Bang on ,fella!

Don't forget you'll still need to tick all the boxes.

The outcome of the Bradford scenario will determine what non SL clubs must do in order to survive.
If the drawbridge is up then we must break away or receive significantly more RFL funding to bridge the gap, min £350k pa, in order to implement a FT structure ready to make the transition to SL.
If we don't get this then the heartlands need to break away - get away from the stupid Premier deal and the 9 home games. A 15 team breakaway with 14 home games and a NRC cup would generate far more income and end the stop/start fixture list we currently have.
It would also luvv up the 'expansion' pathway and make the CC a joke - can they afford for that to happen.
Two tens is the logical, inclusive way forward for our sport - lets see what happens and have the balls and unity to do something about it.

An odd number would not be ideal. And why does everyone think that more games means more profit (or less loss) ? If games are so profitable, why do we need all the lotteries and sportsmens' dinners ?