Not at all Mo , we at Leigh did the same with Wigan , seems a little hypocritical to have a go at Fax for doing the same , it cant be easy for the Fax fans , but to stay loyal is very commendable and I for one wont have a go at them .

The fact of the matter is Charlie, that Leigh were able to move away from DR as they got their act together and acquire major financial investment to create a top side. Fact is Fax don't have that financial clout, we are a Championship side and have been for some time, and whether we like it or not are trying to close the gap by whatever means-especially having lost out on that extra £200k last season for blowing 2nd spot. I personally would rather watch competitive games in this league with a chance to get in the SL, sometime down the line, rather than mid table mediocrity or worse still getting relegated to the league below and travelling to the likes of Hemel, Gloucester etc (no offence to them). As I have said on a previous post the BOD will stand or fall by this decision so lets just see what happens in the coming months.

Even more pooh Chazza, we got out of that agreement as soon as we could after first getting rid of the folk who brought it in. The BoD who did it as a means to survive due to no cash and dwindling gates, if this is fax reason then fair enough, it may kick start what happened at Leigh after our DR fiasco when as a fan I felt abused every week due to my pride being ripped apart

I know the Board have a tough Job and must make Hard decisions but feel disappointed With this and feel we have Sold out. I am Not bothered about a Top 4 finish and as long as we give 100% and Star compilieren thats Better than this in my opinion

Nobody is against the club attempting to better the onfield performances against teams with more money. Its just some people see Dual Reg for what it has done time and time again; weaken the lower division team in order to develop the SL team's youngsters. Which, by the way, is exactly what it is designed to do.

Pinballwizard you say we aren't a big club any more and I agree with you. That also means that we aren't in a position to dictate terms to the parent club and it will end as all the others have done; either we play the players they want us to or the partnership ends and because we have no other option we will bow the pressure. Next off-season the half dozen players that turned down contracts elsewhere this off-season will bugger off and we will be left with exactly the substandard type of player that Harrison brought in and a few Hull KR fringe players that didn't make it in SL so stayed with us.

This is not a solution to anything, its a panic move that will leave us worse off. We might not be a big club any more, but in the 140 year history of our club this without doubt its lowest point. Halifax RLFC is Hull KR's reserve team. Dress it up anyway you want, bury your head in the sand and convince yourself that we will be different to every other dual reg. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. I would rather watch our own players fail to make the middle eight than this.

You clearly have not bothered reading the statement both clubs put out, It is a partnership and RM will decide if he wishes to use any of HKR players who are available.

This is how it works from somebody whose been there

Parent club has non essential players it wants to get regular game time for, child club decides if any are of interest

Parent club has fringe players it wants to get game time for, child club decides if any are of interest

Parent club has first teamers returning from injury it needs to get fit, child club decides if any are of interest

Any of the above take the place of a first team player at the child club whose contract is heavily made up by win bonus's

The more experienced players often were the least effective as they simply treated it as either a punishment or a run out, the biggest culprits imo being Burke and Hughes for us.

The question is do you need any long term DR's to bolster the squad, these tend to be 19/20 yo's not in the top 25, are you looking to fill holes as they arise or gain advantage when you can if HKR are without a game - you tend to find out late in the week who is available and get one training session out of them

Come on there is no way Chester will help you get to the middle 8. You are now HKR first reserve practice team, Gateshead are second reserve. The fact that there are three teams in the division who are almost full time is unfair but this is no way to combat it. I feel sorry for the fans who don't want this but having three coaches who are busom buddies is going to be very hard for you all. Good luck - one day you'll get your club back.

Exactly and what other clubs have done or will do with their DR arrangements is not automatically what Fax and HKR will do.
The BOD and coaching staff are fully aware of the all the pitfalls and drawbacks to how this has been used in the past, (especially RM being at Wire) and will have learned from it and use it only if there is a benefit from doing so.

There is no way HKR will be dictating to Fax that we have to play such and such a player or players when they say so or else.

As yet not one game has been played and not one HKR player has pulled on the blue and white and yet we have become their reserve team.

Fielding any player not signed to the club whether DR or on loan is just an temporary option of unknown duration.

I'm sitting back and waiting to see how this pans out.

Richard Marshall looks to be a great coach, well respected and has also been coaching the England Schoolboys side (or similar) recently.

Karl Harrison oversaw the recruitment of the vast majority of this squad, no doubt if we beat bradford that will be pointed out.

I dont think we'll see too many players from HKR, and as long as we're not going to do a Swinton and start getting players like Ryan Bailey back to fitness then blooding a couple of youngsters for what could be similar to taking a player on loan then why not.

Past few years we've had some reasonable players on the traditional loan system, Kopzcyak (sp), Matt James, Mark Flanaghan ect. as well as some decent names on Dual Reg without an official tie up (J Fairbank).

Its not the end of the world, nor the end of the club, Gateshead have had a relationship with fax previously as well as Hull KR, its not like we're trading in Halicat for a red robin is it

Hopefully just a short term fix

Mo , I BOW



to your Superior Knowledge and show my respect

whatever our reason for the arrangement was we still did it ,Scott Taylors performance at Fev was superb , I agree about Burke and Hughes , but we also used Warrington and benefitted from their players on many occasions .Lets not knock Fax if they feel this is the right avenue to go down .

Spot on!

Spot on!

Deluded!

Nat, I was going to sit down and write my final post on the subject but after reading that I have no need to. You are absolutely spot on.

What if we make the middle 8 get into 5th place win the play off game and get promoted into SL without using any HKR players won't you be just a little bit peed off? #glasshalffull

Read bishop fingers post on't HKR forum, sums it up. To quote King Lear, 'O, that way, madness lies'. Jubble Rooms, Sowerby Bridge. Daleside Santa's Progress 4.5 % Mmm!

Yes.

Well said we are suffering from the failure of last seasons team not getting 2nd spot, I have never liked Dual Registration and am not overjoyed we have joined up with Hull KR on a DR basis BUT we have no choice come on we cannot compete with teams on twice our budget and are full time lets get real.
This option I think is our only way of rebalancing things to give us a chance and only if we need one of their players which I think we will at some point in the season.
As long as we don't use players just for the sake of it and don't use them short term which is the part of DR I dislike, the DR system worked for Donny last year lets face it.
To those fans at other clubs yer we have had to swallow our pride but the circumstances have changed next year, 3 full time clubs and the chance to win promotion, if DR with Hull KR gives us a sniff at this count me in even if I would prefer us not to be a DR club, so what?

Then reserve judgement until the season ends, A pint of anything you want awaits you at Whitehaven come join the new era at the mighty fax! Sometimes we have to go with the flow.

Interesting views from different people If I was a Fax fan I would be worried how this agreement will effect the players you have because it basically says that they are not good enough for this league in your coaches eyes.
When it happened a Fev last season due to injuries we only used them as we didn't have good players to fill in maybe this is what you may do I don't know but one thing is you will only get players KR don't want as the season goes on and as people have said if you get that middle then you will get none regardless if you need help or not Anyway one thing I am 100% sure of is staying away won't help your club get down to the next forum and let the bod know your feelings and let them explain face to face why they have made this decision If Craig Poskitt make the money he has been tasked with you won't have a shortfall of money good luck what ever happens

It will prob w like our deal with Wigan did...........they will give you a list of who`s available to you and you will pick from the list - it will be fringe players or ones coming back from injury who need game time.

Part quote."Interesting views from different people If I was a Fax fan I would be worried how this agreement will effect the players you have because it basically says that they are not good enough for this league in your coaches eyes."

I don't think it saying that at all regarding the current players if you are good enough or not will be plain to see by the on field performances as it has been in the past.
Regarding the current players so far RM has said that the bulk of them were already signed up prior to his appointment but the squad is mainly okay but a bit light in the second row especially if we get any injuries.

This link up simply makes it easier by providing a pre established first port of call to bring someone in from an established SL club if required and they have someone available.

The alternatives still remains the same if they don't, we would only have to look somewhere else where we would definitely be at the dictate of that club and have to pick up the tab or make do with what we have got which usually means playing people out of position as we had many times last year.

What I would like to know is who will be paying any HKR players wages if they pull on the blue and white, it would appear with this being called an opportunity to close the funding gap HKR would be, is this the case?

Is there any chance the club could get summat on Fax TV just to give any supporters (especially those over the age of 50) a bit more re-assurance/clarification on this arrangement? An interview with Richard and 1 of the owners would be great.

I think the sooner the better as after Jan 1st we want to be concentrating on the players, the football and 100% results.

I would ask fans like Hudds Shay to be patient and let's see what happens. Not because we don't want a daily run down on beers from North Yorkshire but because we can't afford to many more Fook ups as a club and we need to be 100% behind the boys now.

If it goes pear shaped I'll be the first to hold my hand up. I've never met the guy but I truly believe that our new head coach is a man we can trust and take at face value.