Now I understand where the £750k went.

Just to be clear - those losses are brought forward & carry forward losses. ie, we didn't lose £591,245 in 2014. We lost £591,245 - £455,569 = £135,676

As GFB says - those look like typical sports club accounts.

I agree with GFB and LittleRich as most sports clubs accounts never look too healthy.

The problem that we have is that we have no income stream other than gate revenue and the money that we get from the RFL which is why top 4 is crucial.

The only tangible assets that we have are the players, we don't own anything else.

The bar and food revenue is taken by the council/venue. The shop is owned by someone under a separate deal as I am lead to believe, so the money doesn't go to the club it goes to HX1 sports.

Most other clubs generate cash through bar & food sales and commercial revenue that they make through their shops. We don't have that luxury.

That is why top 4 is so important. I agree that we should build solid foundations but we seem to be very much 'hand to mouth' every year, especially with the debts that we have and the fact that the directors have been bailing us out for so long.

We are in a classic b*ggers muddle, we want it but can't pay for it!

We have to finish in the top 4 every year to pay for the following year ...........

Smaller squad next year and Dual-reg with Hull FC. You heard it here first! Reserve team undecided

Impalatable as that sounds it could well be reality.

I would guess you have taken a big chunk of the 750k and paid off a substantial amount of DL's etc, it will be interesting to see what '17 has instore with 500k less coming in.

DR with Hull



Hudd Shay will never sleep.

I'm guessing these are to November, not December, given that the next ones are due in August (nine months after the year end) ? Plus 30th December is a tad unusual ....

2013 deficit of £274,935 + the loss of £591,245 = £866,180, so that suggests someone pumped in £500,000 or thereabouts in terms of share capital. Plus £400,000 the year before.

Ach - you're safe for just as long as someone doesn't get fed up of writing cheques out every month to fund the wages. Same as the rest of us.



As to the quality of information, blame the Government. From next year, it'll get even worse.

Accounting date is 31/12. Next accounts as at 31/12/15 due by end of August.

Your analysis is incorrect this is the commutative loss not annual, so as said earlier losses per year over £100k

Surprised to hear that the accounting date is 31 December as the Balance Sheet says 30th November 2014.

Suppose I should've fished them out myself rather than rely on someone who can't even get the date right....



Yeah - you're right. You need to take this year's losses from last year's to see how you've done in 2014, so you only lost £135,685. Much better scenario.

Somebody bought £45,000 of shares, just before the year end.

It would save me a load of brass Ian. I dread to think what I've spent following Fax over the years. Got to say money well spent though.

The Percy Shaw, Chelsea Brewing Company, Alpha Pale Ale 5.0% Mmm!

Makes me think lets say we are well down the league next season and our support drops off so we become drift wood the Fat Controller and the RFL will have finally got their wish, thing is it won't only be us that suffer as while Toulouse and the year after Toronto become the top dogs in our world there will be no away support not the few hundred we take to most of the nearest clubs and even 100 to 200 to other places so the lower clubs will lose out big time but hey as long as we can say we have RL clubs in far away lands the Fat Controller is happy, for him it is better than little old Halifax, Oldham or Featherstone as we al don't fit in his fantasy RL land do we?

Spot on F4L, which is part of the reason that I'd like to see Leigh get promoted and the like of Huddersfield get relegated.

Does make you wonder financially how stable the club is - I always wonder why the club doesn't do more marketing especially of the big games like last week v Fev BIG MATCH but yet no posters , flyers , billboards and nothing in Courier - not everyone is on social media.

Barring a very small sign at Hunger Hill theres nothing - but when I've been to Bradford , Wakey and Huddersfield the games are very well advertised.

FC Halifax Town have Billboards for their season tickets and an advert in Courier - so why don't Fax advertise and not rely on fans to do it for them?

I've said before on match day 'you could walk past Shay and not even know there was a game on'.........

Spot on and relativity cheap to do.

I've said it elsewhere that the club seem to be making it up as they go along, and seem to think they know better than everyone else when it comes to marketing. Big screen (fail) and Fax TV Pro (fail) spring to mind.

I was really impressed by the FCHT billboards and even spotted a pile of HTFC (Huddersfield) flyers for next season when I was picking up a sandwich for lunch earlier today.

I never see anything like this from Fax. They need to get away from thinking that the digital world means everything (a legacy from Reactiv Media perchance?), and use some more "traditional" means to advertise. At least I'm not getting recorded phone messages imploring me to attend a game I was going to anyway!

May I ask why you label the big screen and Fax TV Pro as fails?

Also, what's the difference between getting a phone message asking you to attend a game you were going to anyway, and seeing a poster inviting you to attend a game you were going to?

So what are you saying?

The difference is that your that phone messages are only likely to go to already committed fans whereas highly visual media might just attract those not connected to the club#

Cast your net wide and you'll catch more fish.

And so ends today's sermon.

Beat me to it, spot on.

...and Fax TV Pro. It's the "Pro" bit that's the "fail". No reliability about when, and if, games come online, and poor camera angles etc (such as folk walking in front of the camera, or parts of the stand blocking certain shots) - mainly for away games admittedly.

As a free service it was pretty good, if unreliable. As a paid for service (unless it's magically changed since this happened?) it needs to be more reliable - games available within 24 hours, both full games and highlights, ideally more than just the one camera angle (so you can show tries from different viewpoints). Am I asking too much? Maybe, but it has to be better than it is to justify charging for it.

I think this response smacks of the complacency and lack of direction form the club.

Whilst we are not doing that bad on sponsorships. Over 200,000 people live in Calderdale. Less than 1% are regular attendees at the games. So I would say that there is a need to reach out and improve the pathetic level of marketing.

Fax TV Pro is off such a low standard you would need to be either nuts or a dedicated fan to pay for it. The service will certainly not attract new fans and in my view, with the present standards, is a sinical attempt to extra addition money from fans.

The big screen, well it's good for sponsors to see their names up. But it does add little else.


A good team, playing attractive rugby will attract fans, but at £40 plus for a family of four (for someone who wants to go and look at the odd game not a season ticket holder) plus snacks, beer, program etc. It's not a cheap day out. I have to work best part of day to be able to afford to take family and there are lots of other places to spend my money.

I hope Office Boy doesn't work in the office at your club. If he does, he needs to think about how he words his questions to the fans!