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| Quote ="Ganson's Optician"they should speak to the appropriate authority.'"
How co you know they haven't.....?? Can't see them saying anything without being able back it up...??
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| Here's what a member of Leigh Centurions BOM had to say about the matter-
"we have fully complied with the rules and the bad news for the others if we still have room in the cap to further strengthen our sqaud if that proves necessary although we are very pleased with what we have and believe we will collectively achieve our goals. As I mentioned on centurion TV when interviewed by Dave parky we didn't assemble our team purely by outbidding people. We sold them our facility our vision for ours and their futures and this was further enhanced by the presentation to them by our coach. It is a misconception that rugby players aren't smart enough to make the right decisions for their future rather than shortsighted financial gains. It is good that people are talking about us and concerned about what we are spending. The crowd against Batley was very encouraging and if we can continue to build on that then we can further increase our spend. Leigh Centurions are building in every area and are proud to be the envy all those who point the fingers"
Wind those green eyed necks in
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| In regards to the cap I think its easy to see why anyone with any sense thinks Leigh are close to or will break the cap, Mark Aston practically said the same thing the other week. They obviously think they have found a way around it because it does not take a rocket scientist to pick out players in their squad and know they take up a massive amount of money. Take Liam Kaye and the money that was banded about that his agent was asking for him, do we really believe that the lad dropped say 10-20K from what he was asking? What about Sam Barlow? Theres probably a couple of players right there that are taking up a good portion of 100K.
As for other points mentioned, Im not really sure why peoples minds might be at ease after the meeting. One thing that struck for me was how the board seem at a loss how to get more people through the gates. For us to have any chance to make the middle 8 let alone compete there has to be more people paying on the gate, last time I looked we are struggling in that respect.
I also get the dispute and feel that they are correct in doing what they are doing but I also feel in the mean time they probably should have paid something close to the amount they think is correct until it were sorted. Given the arrears is so high I think its fair to assume this did not happen. Maybe the money was put to one side but again I seriously doubt this.
I do think our team is very capable of finishing in the top 2 this season and that is a must but the next 3 games will shape our season and we could kick on from there.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"In regards to the cap I think its easy to see why anyone with any sense thinks Leigh are close to or will break the cap, Mark Aston practically said the same thing the other week. They obviously think they have found a way around it because it does not take a rocket scientist to pick out players in their squad and know they take up a massive amount of money. Take Liam Kaye and the money that was banded about that his agent was asking for him, do we really believe that the lad dropped say 10-20K from what he was asking? What about Sam Barlow? Theres probably a couple of players right there that are taking up a good portion of 100K.
As for other points mentioned, Im not really sure why peoples minds might be at ease after the meeting. One thing that struck for me was how the board seem at a loss how to get more people through the gates. For us to have any chance to make the middle 8 let alone compete there has to be more people paying on the gate, last time I looked we are struggling in that respect.
I also get the dispute and feel that they are correct in doing what they are doing but I also feel in the mean time they probably should have paid something close to the amount they think is correct until it were sorted. Given the arrears is so high I think its fair to assume this did not happen. Maybe the money was put to one side but again I seriously doubt this.
I do think our team is very capable of finishing in the top 2 this season and that is a must but the next 3 games will shape our season and we could kick on from there.'"
Wow! Can't wait until Sunday!
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| Wasn't at the meeting so didn't hear what was said but from what was reported I think things can be taken in two ways.
One can be the board resigned to us not being able to compete and looking for excuses, the other the board saying they aren't prepared to break the bank competing in something they can't compete in and killing off the club - we're in safe hands if you will.
As for the rent? Something is occurring but who knows what it is? More info needed
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| It was also mentioned there will be a Championship magic weekend, no date or venue stated.
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| Quote ="Ganson's Optician"All just reads to me like the directors and coach are getting their excuses in early. If anyone has reason to believe that a club is breaching the cap or planning on doing so they should speak to the appropriate authority, not make potentially defamatory comments in the public realm.'"
What is the point the RFL only hear what they want to hear, the evidence is based on large squads Karl said Fev have 35 players on their books that is a huge squad and must be above their salary cap when you look at the quality in there as well???
Are clubs not allowed to comment on other clubs now do we not live in a democratic country?
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As far as fev are concerned, we have applied for to the RFL and received an extension to the salary cap to be able to spend 400k (something which you are allowed to do ) providing we supplied them with a sound business plan to show the additional expenditure was affordable and you are turning over £1 million
If we can prove and we have that we can afford the extra 100k then no rules are broken
This is freely admitted by Craig poskitt on our radio show a few weeks back feel free to have a listen
Skip to about 37 mins of this link to listen to the all important statements
https://www.mixcloud.com/djdavewilliams ... g-poskitt/
Sorry to disappoint you Mr Steele must try harder next time!
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As far as fev are concerned, we have applied for to the RFL and received an extension to the salary cap to be able to spend 400k (something which you are allowed to do ) providing we supplied them with a sound business plan to show the additional expenditure was affordable and you are turning over £1 million
If we can prove and we have that we can afford the extra 100k then no rules are broken
This is freely admitted by Craig poskitt on our radio show a few weeks back feel free to have a listen
Skip to about 37 mins of this link to listen to the all important statements
https://www.mixcloud.com/djdavewilliams ... g-poskitt/
Sorry to disappoint you Mr Steele must try harder next time!
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| Can't say fairer than that. And I don't think Mr Steele came out with a direct accusation. There may be some slight misquote/misinterpretation.
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| Personally I have no problem with Fev or Leigh spending money to try get their team to the highest level-as long as they do so within agreed rules.
From memory I think Probiz guy was with us for one season on the money front but left? I wonder why that was? If he has now gone to Fev and is bank rolling them then so be it. Looks like Leigh have found a benefactor also by the look of their squad?
Clearly we do not have the same funding ,from what was said last night, and with crowds of 1500 we aren't going to be able to compete with the above two.
Whilst coach and chairman were fairly downbeat about us getting into SL at this time, I would rather have at least the option than the closed shop we had previously. Franchise system nearly killed the game and as happens with 'normal ' sports we can now get back to P&R-and chase that top tier goal-no matter how long it takes!!!!
We've waited 10 years so we can wait a little while longer if we have to!
Sport has a funny way of biting the 'have's' on the bum-just when you least expect it.
Let's see who walks the walk over the coming season.
No coincidence over the years Fax have had their best times when they have been overlooked in favour of those with more money!
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| So long as I'm able to watch Halifax RLFC in a competitive game of RL I'm happy. If we miss out on the circus above I'll not lose much sleep.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"Cliffs:-
The rent dispute was discussed and basically revolves around us paying a lot less that what HT do and this has been going on for a while now after the council broke a promise that was made to both clubs. An offer was put forward to the council today.
The new structure was discussed along with the ins and outs of the money relating to the deal and how it will be split. KH commented that although there is essentially promotion and relegation again he does not think any team has a chance of getting in to SL from our division unless they have a wealthy benefactor a sentiment echoed by Michael Steele.
Again it was stressed how important it is to finish in the top two to get the extra funding for 2015. On that note we were told that both Fev and Leigh will break the salary cap this season although any punishment will not happen until 2015 if that did turn out to be the case.
Liam Finn signed a contract with Fax in August 2013, a document that the club still have. The ins and outs of how he got out of it were not discussed.
KH was waiting to hear back from a players agent on bringing a player in on loan. The player played in SL at the weekend but also mentioned Worrincy is recovering quicker than expected.
KH said that he does not dislike overseas players but MS said there were a lot of stipulations in getting them to the club that made it a pain in the butt.
Nigel Wood was distictly unhappy about MS comments to the papers about the new structure.'"
Out of interest, Was the statement that Leigh will break the salary cap made by a Halifax official?
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| Quote ="Toadstool"Out of interest, Was the statement that Leigh will break the salary cap made by a Halifax official?'"
Michael Norris. Financial Director of Leigh Centurions.
Well done. Jesus I'm starting to despair at our club now.
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| Quote ="salfordlad".
Again it was stressed how important it is to finish in the top two to get the extra funding for 2015. On that note we were told that both Fev and Leigh will break the salary cap this season although any punishment will not happen until 2015 if that did turn out to be the case.
But how do the Fax Board know that the two clubs mentioned will do and why was it suggested if it turned out to be the case ?
Indication is that it is a guess not a fact.'" I`d hazard a guess they`re spouting crap... unless they want to do the honourable thing and give whatever information they have on the matter to the RFL.
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| Quote ="littlerich"So long as I'm able to watch Halifax RLFC in a competitive game of RL I'm happy. If we miss out on the circus above I'll not lose much sleep.'"
Rich , you WONT miss out on the Circus m I will see to that , after all you have a bigger Clown than me in GFB , he seems obsessed by what is happening at Leigh and the Salary Cap , everybody can see the Green in his eyes .We at Leigh have a very good BOM who are totally committed to steering the Club to success , both on and off the field , our off field Fundraising is tremendous at the moment , our Sponsership has never been as big , don't let the Small minded stirrers on the Forum affect your opinions or judgement , ive heard GFBs middle name is Rumplestiltskin .
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| Quote ="Toadstool"Out of interest, Was the statement that Leigh will break the salary cap made by a Halifax official?'"
I guess if you keep your eyes peeled the Courier may do a write up.
Quote ="Toadstool"To put this to bed once and for all we submitted our playing budget to the RFL over the closed season, with actual salaries by player and the highest possible bonus position, and have received written confirmation that we are in compliance with the salary cap for 2014 - in fact we are a sizeable sum beneath it.
No fiddling, no tweaking, no hiding - a totally straightforward salary budget.
Hope this helps!
Michael Norris'"
Out of interest if the RFL gave you written confirmation then how do the two checks part way through the season work? We heard on Monday that there would be a check part way through the season where any teams in breach would be asked what they are doing to sort out the problem and then another check near the end where it would be decided if any team has a case to answer for the following season. Who is correct?
I did chuckle at the no tweaking bit though.
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"I guess if you keep your eyes peeled the Courier may do a write up.
Out of interest if the RFL gave you written confirmation then how do the two checks part way through the season work? We heard on Monday that there would be a check part way through the season where any teams in breach would be asked what they are doing to sort out the problem and then another check near the end where it would be decided if any team has a case to answer for the following season. Who is correct?
I did chuckle at the no tweaking bit though.
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It's not specific to Leigh or Fev but there is an interim return to the end of May submitted by each club and I imagine that any discrepancies in this would lead to further enquiries by the RFL.
I expect that every club will monitor its position in real time though and take the necessary actions to remedy any variances from budget.
Michael
PS I said "tweaking" not "twerking"!
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| It was explained that when the interim check was made, clubs that were in danger of spending over the 40% of turnover (was that the figure?) would then be asked how they would either increase turnover, or decrease spending prior to the final report been sent.
Was also good to have the Sam Barlow situation explained properly and hopefully now put to bed.
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| What was that Brew re SB...??
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| He was injured and out for a couple of games that we won.
When he was fit he expected to come straight back but Karl
elected to keep the winning team unchanged.He spat dummy
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| Quote ="Toadstool"Greg,
It's not specific to Leigh or Fev but there is an interim return to the end of May submitted by each club and I imagine that any discrepancies in this would lead to further enquiries by the RFL.
I expect that every club will monitor its position in real time though and take the necessary actions to remedy any variances from budget.
Michael
PS I said "tweaking" not "twerking"!'"
May be you used the threat of DB twerking to get players to lower their demands.
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| Quote ="mr t hall"He was injured and out for a couple of games that we won.
When he was fit he expected to come straight back but Karl
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And as Karl said, if you don't want to be at Halifax....
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| Quote ="mr t hall"He was injured and out for a couple of games that we won.
When he was fit he expected to come straight back but Karl
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| on boots n all this season, they're showing highlights of the championship game of the week. wonder if clubs get paid for this
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| Well I have no idea but' if it is Leigh v Batley any lapsed Leyther will be astonished and sorry they missed the game.
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