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| Good in essence ( you do notice teams who are 20+ behind kicking on in last 10-15!).
But it should be reduced to 8points imo!
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| The table is very mis-leading also due to the bye's teams have.
Im sure in Oz, when a team has a vye, they are given 1 or 2 points in order to keep the table looking as it should be with team "playing" similar amount of games. Think this would have been a good idea to have implemented here.
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| Quote ="Cassandra"That's not the point.'"
the point being the bonus point or win points.
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| Quote ="griffax"The table is very mis-leading also due to the bye's teams have.
Im sure in Oz, when a team has a vye, they are given 1 or 2 points in order to keep the table looking as it should be with team "playing" similar amount of games. Think this would have been a good idea to have implemented here.'"
By end of year it'll shape up though! Was going to agree with point but then still looks odd unless you all just take bye as 3 points!
(Why not have a bye week in SL when Catz came in rather than relegate 2 sides??? Oh well another debate!!)
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| after todays game...
bonus points are bad.
fax stopped playing there natural game and went for goals to stop barrow getting a bonus point.
normaly run those and from the three could have scored at least one try in end.
although we were glad had kicked the goals by the last few mins it did seem to put fax off their normal game.
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| Quote ="swifty62"after todays game...
bonus points are bad.
fax stopped playing there natural game and went for goals to stop barrow getting a bonus point.
normaly run those and from the three could have scored at least one try in end.
although we were glad had kicked the goals by the last few mins it did seem to put fax off their normal game.'"
Barrow did a good job on us today . The thing that stopped us playing our fluent game ,was the missed tackles in front of our posts, made by the same two or three players which led to all there tries.
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| Quote ="Cassandra"Barrow did a good job on us today . The thing that stopped us playing our fluent game ,was the missed tackles in front of our posts, made by the same two or three players which led to all there tries.'"
true was bad or lack of tackling. but we would not normaly go for goal. teams trying to stop others getting bonus stops attacking play.
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| With Bonus Points
Halifax 10 9 0 1 393 190 203 0 27
Barrow 11 8 0 3 326 170 156 3 27
Widnes 13 7 0 6 376 278 98 5 26
Toulouse 11 7 0 4 348 302 46 1 22
Featherstone 11 7 0 4 335 271 64 0 21
Whitehaven 12 6 0 6 352 338 14 3 21
Sheffield 11 4 0 7 294 257 37 7 19
Leigh 11 5 0 6 204 285 -81 3 18
Batley 11 3 1 7 230 414 -184 2 13
Gateshead 11 3 1 7 288 419 -131 1 12
Doncaster 10 1 0 9 173 395 -222 3 6
With No Bonus Points (Super League 2pts for win)
Halifax 10 9 0 1 393 190 203 18
Barrow 11 8 0 3 326 170 156 16
Widnes 13 7 0 6 376 278 98 14
Featherstone 11 7 0 4 335 271 64 14
Toulouse 11 7 0 4 348 302 46 14
Whitehaven 12 6 0 6 352 338 14 12
Leigh 11 5 0 6 204 285 -81 10
Sheffield 11 4 0 7 294 257 37 8
Gateshead 11 3 1 7 288 419 -131 6
Batley 11 3 1 7 230 414 -184 6
Doncaster 10 1 0 9 173 395 -222 2
Please tell me what was wrong with the old system. Just look at the old rule table, absolutely no need for a bonus point at all. The RFL have made a typically stupid rule. It just rewards losing, no more then that. It offers nothing for a team that wins. Halifax have won more games then barrow and have a game in hand yet are level on points. Stupid!
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| dont like the bonus point at all i could probably appreciate it more if we needed it more but puts teams in the worng part of the table.
earlier in the season widnes qualified from northern rail group just cause they had more bonus points they lost more games than the team they went through instead of.
should have kept it how it is.
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| Quote ="swifty62"after todays game...
bonus points are bad.
fax stopped playing there natural game and went for goals to stop barrow getting a bonus point.
normaly run those and from the three could have scored at least one try in end.
although we were glad had kicked the goals by the last few mins it did seem to put fax off their normal game.'"
That's a garbage statement, if Halifax hadn't been successful with any of those late penalties they could well have lost the game and had to settle for the bonus themselves. Sometimes you have to just shut a game down, it's about winning close games, not performance.
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| Quote ="marillion man"That's a garbage statement, if Halifax hadn't been successful with any of those late penalties they could well have lost the game and had to settle for the bonus themselves. Sometimes you have to just shut a game down, it's about winning close games, not performance.'"
agree that got to close games down. my thoughts were that the going for goal also stopped the fluency of the fax attack when going for goal three times one after another. i would have backed them to score from one of them.
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| Quote ="swifty62"agree that got to close games down. my thoughts were that the going for goal also stopped the fluency of the fax attack when going for goal three times one after another. i would have backed them to score from one of them.'"
If the ball stayed in the hands of the Halifax player carrying it !!!
Our completion rates aren't what they could be and running a penalty can cost us by conceding if losing possession. At least you get the ball back if you kick well enough. How about the pressure getting to the Barra lad who handled Pats's penalty in goal, talk about pressure.
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| Quote ="Cassandra"Barrow did a good job on us today . The thing that stopped us playing our fluent game ,was the missed tackles in front of our posts, made by the same two or three players which led to all there tries.'"
Not forgetting the penalties that gave them that field position in the first place.
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| Quote ="The Dors"Not forgetting the penalties that gave them that field position in the first place.'"
Yes but the ref probably missed a lot for both teams and the game flowed as a result.
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| I simply dont agree with the bonus point if you lose you should get nothing. If its not good enough for Super League it shouldnt be good enough for us
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| Quote ="spanishbob"Yes but the ref probably missed a lot for both teams and the game flowed as a result.
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Ha ha! OK you got me! But we gave those penalties away none the less.
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| Quote ="billyfax"With Bonus Points
Halifax 10 9 0 1 393 190 203 0 27
Barrow 11 8 0 3 326 170 156 3 27
Widnes 13 7 0 6 376 278 98 5 26
Toulouse 11 7 0 4 348 302 46 1 22
Featherstone 11 7 0 4 335 271 64 0 21
Whitehaven 12 6 0 6 352 338 14 3 21
Sheffield 11 4 0 7 294 257 37 7 19
Leigh 11 5 0 6 204 285 -81 3 18
Batley 11 3 1 7 230 414 -184 2 13
Gateshead 11 3 1 7 288 419 -131 1 12
Doncaster 10 1 0 9 173 395 -222 3 6
With No Bonus Points (Super League 2pts for win)
Halifax 10 9 0 1 393 190 203 18
Barrow 11 8 0 3 326 170 156 16
Widnes 13 7 0 6 376 278 98 14
Featherstone 11 7 0 4 335 271 64 14
Toulouse 11 7 0 4 348 302 46 14
Whitehaven 12 6 0 6 352 338 14 12
Leigh 11 5 0 6 204 285 -81 10
Sheffield 11 4 0 7 294 257 37 8
Gateshead 11 3 1 7 288 419 -131 6
Batley 11 3 1 7 230 414 -184 6
Doncaster 10 1 0 9 173 395 -222 2
Please tell me what was wrong with the old system. Just look at the old rule table, absolutely no need for a bonus point at all. The RFL have made a typically stupid rule. It just rewards losing, no more then that. It offers nothing for a team that wins. Halifax have won more games then barrow and have a game in hand yet are level on points. Stupid!'" Nothing wrong with the old system But I don't think there's anything wrong with this one either. It rewards teams for keeping going to the end (though the bonus point should be only when you get within, say, 6 points). It doesn't reward losing; it rewards consistency. It's here to stay so get used to it.
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| Quote ="manxviking"Nothing wrong with the old system But I don't think there's anything wrong with this one either. It rewards teams for keeping going to the end (though the bonus point should be only when you get within, say, 6 points). It doesn't reward losing; it rewards consistency. It's here to stay so get used to it.'"
But only for the lower leagues.
It cant be any good, or it would be now used in Superleague, NRL, and BARLA.
Its time it was scrapped or taken up fully
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| After this weekend's results, mainly concerning our's and Barra's, any complaints against the bonus point ?
Considering the 2nd half recovery, I reckon we earned our bonus point yesterday.
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| Scrap it in my opinion just dont like it and like has been said if it was any good it would be used in sl
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| Quote ="ian c"Scrap it in my opinion just dont like it and like has been said if it was any good it would be used in sl'" Well thats cos it,ll cost our team maybe for this season but I still stayed listening till the final whistle yesterday cos I knew it mattered.
Keep it imo and if it costs us tuff.
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| As I mentioned on a previous, similar debate, sooner or later a team will win 12 - 0 and the losing team will get a bonus point. How stupid will that look, getting a bonus point for being nilled?
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| i originally voted a big fat no!
and even after sundays debarcle i still agree. granted we played well in 2nd half! and nearly got all the points, another 5mins who knows, but at half time i was ready for off. just gutted and my point of view is that if you lose [size=150 =blueAND WE ARE IN A PURELY RESULTS BUISINESS[/size you should get naff all!
hell wats next the loser of the grand final by 10 points or less recieves 25% of the prize fund???!!!!
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| When two teams have played the same number of games (12) and one is above the other despite having lost two more and won two less, the failure of the bonus point system is completely and utterly demonstrated.
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