Where is the meltdown? I think everything that has been mentioned or asked are legitimate questions that should be being asked by anyone who has anything invested in the club. Which games was Maizen moved out to the wing that stand out for you as examples? I agree about some of what you say about him but ask anyone to play a position they have not played a lot of and it would be unfair to expect them to excel.

I get the theory behind good attitude and keeping the dressing room but our performances this season don't seem to tie in with that. We have a big discipline problem that has been a feature of Grix's reign which we seem no closer to solving, we have a habit of starting games slow which Grix has called the players out on numerous times this season and again we have seemingly no soloution to this and that is despite having players with good attitudes and whom toe the line. If we are saying Grix has weeded out the bad attitude/lazy players then the players on the pitch for us can no longer be to blame can they and the problem must lie somewhere else?

What meltdown?

I was speaking to the guy who does a lot of the photography for fax on match days at the legends night , he said he wishes this forum was shut down as it’s toxic and brings no constructive criticism whatsoever and is basically a place for victor meldrews to get their moan out of the way . Seems this place has one foot in the grave ….

It's opinions though isn't it. I see lots of constructive comments on here.

Its an online version of what we used to talk about in pubs in the 80's & 90's.

People pay a lot of money to watch our club and they are entitled to their opinion(within reason) no matter how one eyed or bias it may be. People from the club can choose to read it or ignore it but at the end of the day those fans that are paying their money through the gate are also helping to pay their wages.

I think the discipline issue hasn’t been solved because the players causing it seem undroppable , I can only imagine their stats are off the charts or Grix is guilty of rose tinted glasses as regards the originals , ie tangata ( the main protagonist in this imo )fairbank , kavanagh and larroyer , I’d like to see the stats on their collective discipline . I appreciate their aggressive nature is necessary but for me they often get the balance wrong , lannon for me is a perfect example of someone who has the balance right ( runs hard tackles hard gets onside ptb correctly doesn’t chirp at the ref and no brainfarts) the players I’ve mentioned are good players but can’t be but in the same bracket.

Aye, that's about right regarding discipline although Kav isn't too bad. Lannon though I thought was absolutely outstanding against Barrow and put in a performance of all round quality, a joy to watch from a forwards point of view. Anyroad, time for off. York here we come. Up The Fax!

Did someone change the title of this thread. Not much said about the upcoming game just lots about how bad some of our players and coach are.

The coaches watch the game and replays but also rely on stats which are not made public and should not be.
Who knows why Maizen has been dropped this week. Probably just Grix and Maizen but there will be a reason.

Oops I went off subject





So come on , less slanging and more support.



Fax to win by 12.

Don't get why some folk are getting their knickers in a twist about slagging off the players. All in all just "observations" as far as I can see as to why Maizen, for example, might have been shipped out. Quite a tame message board imo. You should read the likes of the whinos BB after they lost at Wakefield, now that was REALLY nasty!

Oh, and re today's match at York. We're playing some good attacking stuff at the mo and AOB has made a big difference. York have a couple of key players back in Antrobus and Glover who missed Haven, but feel very confident even tho' it will be tough. York 12 Fax 28.

Yeah makes me laugh on Facebook where they won't have anything bad said about anyone but its very rare you will see personal attacks and more just comments on performance which for athletes in the public eye is going to happen and whether they like it or not. We seem a very polarised fanbase, it seems when reading posts people either think Grix should be sacked immediatley as we are massively underperforming or you have the ones who think he is the greatest thing since sliced bread and think that he is over achieving because somebody told them we have the 13th best budget in the league.

in his interview simon grix said had injuries from the last game but was not going to say who / what in the interview.
the DR rocks up for a reason?

Time to go Grix. The guy clearly isn't a COACH.

Score nearly right, not to mention being the wrong way round!

Couldn't make the game today, but following the twitter feed it looked like the usual ill discipline and errors. All very frustrating, but a really tough league, as evidenced by Sheffield losing at Swinton and Batley grabbing it late at Barrow.

A real danger of not making the top 6. Very tough game at Batley next week and if we lose that, London could close to a point when they take on Toulouse (who don't travel well) at home.

For those who attended today, how did you rate the performance on a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being brilliant and 1 garbage?

Serious questions need to be asked now. Listened to the commentary; Another healthy bombed lead and to be out-enthused by York, irrelevant of their league position having played mid- week is pretty abysmal. Why is Fanoua playing? He will be back to Cas next week. I hope Tibbs was injured otherwise why isn't McComb playing at centre? Really questioning Grix's wisdom and judgement and clearly a lack of an assistant coach. Please drop Tangata, he is in the team no matter how poor he is. Why does Fleming play one week and dropped the next? This has all the makings of Marshall's penultimate season when we dropped out of the playoffs. You cannot see any consistency in form whatsoever this year. Big game against Batley.

And let's be honest, if Sammut hadn't been sent off last week, we might have been on the losing end also. I don't see any resolve or steel in this team at all. They ed away 10+ leads today, Batley, Toulouse, couldn't see the game out against Bradford.

Leeds might be open to a new dual reg partner if the short term signings is the route you're going down now?

Maybe about a 3. It didn't start well in the warm up with Lannon getting injured but Grix logic dictated that we had a hooker as our 18th man and we had already gone in to the game with a winger on the bench who would be brought on as a second row so not the best of starts. We started okay and looked like we could score quite often but we did bomb a couple of chances before we got schooled by Liam Harris and totally out enthused by a team that played Wednesday night. It had me questioning my own logic in deciding to spend all that money to go and watch them today and I will give Batley a miss next week as I don't think it provides value for money with the talent we have in the squad serving up the same old stuff week in week out and a coach who is devoid of ideas on how to fix it.

I still see on Facebook people saying Grix is a good coach but what are they judging this on? His results? His signings? This season has been a shambles and in my opinion a good coach would have had us competing for 2nd spot with the talent we have in the squad yet we find ourselves with a realistic chance of not making the playoffs.

Opening 20 was good then after that it reverted to poor discipline and being out enthused by the opposition. Defending was poor for the most part and our confidence looks shot . Brainfarts from larroyer and tangata. Obrien played well the rest were average. I don’t think Grixs’ coaching is the problem however his man management of some players could be brought into question. Constant inconsistent changes to the squad might be what is damaging the confidence, if you’re gonna drop players to punish them for regular poor performances then at least drop the right ones starting with tangata .

Grix's attitude and perspective worries me as he doesn't have an assistant who will hold him to account. I am sorry but Irvine has never coached or been close to this level. He is dropping players on seemingly flimsy grounds. Yes, we don't see the stats and the training but the whole 'freshen' things up angle is tautological. Start of the season, allowances for experimentation but in the backend of the season, this approach seems more desperate than anything else. Likewise, it seems bizarre then in the same breath to talk about a lack of desire, but then you drop Moore who he is always waxing lyrical about being top of the effort charts. Tangata needs to be dropped if this is his logic. He talked about Tibbs being patchy which is laughable. I really don't know what to expect for the rest of the season. There really isn't any indication of what to expect. Win at Batley and all might be forgiven. If we limp into the playoffs, it's still anybody's game on the day but surely getting to the semis of the playoffs has to be the bare minimum.

I am coming back for a couple of weeks end of July, was really looking forward to seeing fax in the flesh again but now, not sure , at least on you tube I can turn it off.
Something needs to change, but who is out there to replace or even help Grix( that is if he would listen to advice), touted as a future superleague coach, not on this seasons showing.

Marks out of 10? First 20 minutes 7. Last 60 minutes 2. After a bright start we were totally outplayed and outfought. A simple sidestep and our defence was all over the place. No plan b and no creativity at all. It's obvious to anyone watching there is something wrong behind the scenes. The squad we have should be capable of so much more than this. Is it time for SG to go? Until yesterday I had been half heartedly backing him but not any more. It seems he has taken us as far as he can. Also to all those who support our use of dual reg think about this, we have the most prolific winger in the league and I don't think he got a decent pass from his SL centre all game. Add to that three tries came down Manua's flank and at one stage he couldn't even be bothered to chase a kick through sums his contribution up. Useless and uninterested. Another couple of hundred pounds spent having a good weekend away watching the lads spoilt only by the match.

Totally agree..I know there are fans out there who think Grix isn't the issue but i'd challenge any supporter to put a credible counter-argument to this post..

I don't think that Fonua was anywhere near as bad as some people have made out but its a worry that we have the best winger in the league and York should have had to come up with a plan to nulify that threat but instead we did that for them by playing a player at centre who doesn't really have a history of been a try creater. We have a winger on the bench who came on at second row and although he was his usual busy self he really offers little punch and is dominated when defending in the middle, I like McComb but what does his selection and choice of position in the game say to the forwards that missed out yesterday? We send Maizen on DR to Hunslet and bring in a player who we can only assume was dropped from Cas for similar reasons that Maizen was dropped. Again it sends the wrong message. Having Moore as 18th man makes no sense as we saw yesterday, he really only can come in if we lose a hooker. It just seems Grix is at a loss as to what to do at this point.

It's beyond belief that Fleming wasn't in the 18...but why bring him in then favour a winger as a forward ? does Grix enjoy taking the pizz out of his own players ?

I could spend a little time talking about what we did right yesterday and a long time doing the same about what went wrong but for me it is crystal clear that something is seriously wrong between the players and the coach. As i see it Simon can not put right what is clearly wrong with our performances if he could it would be happening by now yes the players have to shoulder the blame too they are the ones on the pitch making these mistakes and no coach tells his players to do what we are consistently coming up with but for me the buck stops with the coach. In the past i have called for the sacking of simon and i will hold my hands up and say at that point i got it wrong as for now i just can not see him turning this around and for me that means he should go. As for replacements if he was to leave i would look at James webster Leon price or Liam finn plus you never know who might throw their hat in the ring if the position comes up.