When people read and believe all these statements from the club about "RM will choose" "On Halifax's terms" etc. Just ask yourself; What is in it for Hull KR if those statements are true?
They haven't gone into this arrangement purely to help ourselves!

Think it through.

At club level.

Some of those reading and hearing what RM is saying about this will be the very people from HKR who he sat down with, just ask yourself if he was not telling the truth how do think they would feel about working with a liar!!!!

What sort of relationship could they possibly have.

What is in it for HKR if this were the case, it would be dead in the water in an instant.

At a individual level.

What would that do for a persons reputation, think about what is being implied about some ones professional integrity, RM would not even be at Fax if it involved compromising his, what sort of person do we think he is?

It's on Halifax terms in the sense that RM will pick his team from all the players he has available, if any of them are from HKR it will be because he picked them not because HKR said he must pick them. How hard is that to accept and understand.

There is a lot more to this arrangement than just players and team selection which has been mutually agreed and will last as long as both parties want it to.

If anyone wants to know what is in it for HKR read what they are saying about it, their CEO Mike Smith has said what's in it for them.

As regards what they think about Halifax and RM he says this.

"There is a fantastic setup at Halifax and in Richard Marshal they have a talented young coach who has proven his abilities in the recent England Academy series.
We have no doubt they will provide a terrific environment for young players to continue their development."
End.

Obviously on the playing front they see some of their younger players benefitting from RM's coaching which is a complement to him.
Whether any of them get picked or not is down to him and clearly they think a lot more about him than others are doing.

Sigh..





Sound familiar...





How are those dual reg agreements going now?
The exact same statements have been released for every dual reg agreement and every one of those agreements have worked against the Championship club before being terminated.

Leigh and Fev seem to be doing okay last time I looked and certainly no worse than they were before they entered into those agreements.

No one is disputing the down side of DR and the preference not to go down that road, the difference is though that Fax having done so saying it gives them the best options to compete next season have some saying they are lying about it.

For all the down sides to DR and no matter how much someone dislikes it they don't warrant this, that's the point I am making.

How is it going to work against Fax, because it is not the offloading of players from HKR who are needing game time after an injury or others that we must play when they say so.
Again RM will pick his team, no one else and if and when it stops working they will terminate it.

It down to options and choices and the alternative seems to be hanging on alone and falling further adrift from our rivals, how would that go down with the Fax faithful?

As I wrote previously, There are none so blind as those that will not see. I went down to The Shay to the meet the coach evening and RM came across as a knowledgeable, enthusiastic and likeable young English coach. Just what Fax want but, at the end of the day he is an employee of Halifax RLFC and will do as he is told.As Nat says Hull KR haven't gone into this to help out a 2nd division team 70 odd miles away. Just when we seem to be getting the club back on the right track we go and shoot ourselves in the foot. Only in Halifax....

White Hart, Todmorden. Orkney Brewery. Clootie Dumpling, 4.3% Mmm!

Leigh have ditched the partnership with Wigan

Well open your eyes then, team selection is one of the main reasons as head coach why RM is employed and he will be in control of, no one at Fax will be telling him what to do in that respects and they day they do he will walk.

If some think calling the club and coach liars just so it fits in with extreme prejudices against DR well go ahead, everyone has a choice.

This DR thing will last only for so long in any case but this sort of conduct won't have any bearing on it and think on this.

Before they are anything else they are people and don't deserve this kind of treatment in this situation IMHO, that's all I am saying.

It's done get over it.
Embrace it or don't bother turning up.
As I have said before there will be more at our final game 2015 as there were at the shambolic end of 2014.
Time to move on.

It is done but I won't get over it. I won't embrace it and I won't turn up. But I won't be told what to do and what to say. This is a forum and I will put my point of view across and if you don't like it or agree with it, tough. When DR is finished and Fax have not benefited from it, we will be back supporting our club, albeit one that will forever tainted by using the farce that is DR.

r


Oooooh get you.
A little over the top I would think.
What if Dual Reg finishes and Fax HAVE benefited from it, WILL YOU STILL BE BACK, despite us being forever tainted?
Forever tainted?

All the work Fax and the Bod have done over the years is now starting to remind me of Dimitri the Greek boat builder, he built many boats for the good of the people in his local town but did they call him Dimitri the Boat Builder?
No, but shag one lousy sheep...........

Absolutely superb, best of the year, when Dimitri had finished with the sheep did he go.
Mmmmmmm.

I wish I could share a photograph of two of our five grandchildren aged 8 and 10 in their new Fax shirts yesterday morning, xboxes, a new computer, but the smile on thir faces when they both put on their new shirts.
Priceless.

Ask them about dual reg, and they will just want to see a successful Fax side,
Hey, they won't understand Dual Reg, but they love Fax, perhaps some people older than them need to grow up.
Oxo, and Turkey sandwiches,
Mmmmmmm.

Well said John.

12 hours at work, cup of Yorkshire tea, with a drop of DR milk. HMMMMMMM

I think it's time for the dramatic future-telling whingers to simply step away from the club and stop attending games. The constant bleating on here is a real drag.

You should be careful what you wish for.
It wont take many from the 1500 fans you have to walk away and leave the club in trouble

Totally agree and everybody should respect an individual's choices.

In the Fax SL era when we became the Bluesox I did my uni dissertation on branding in a services industry and used the club as my reference example. When I surveyed fans i was shocked by the number who would no longer associate with the club due to such a crappy name. Sport is such an emotive subject and clubs often overlook the implications of changes which alter an individual's perception of what the club means to them. Our attendances fell during the SL era, even when we finished third we only averaged around $5k so there was an obvious impact. Yes change is inevitable, but consideration of any negative impact on fans and effective management is something clubs really do not handle well, preferring to focus only on the 'dream'. It's only when things don't work out as planned that they look at the 'what ifs', by which time it's too late to recover the disenfranchised multitudes.

Anyway, not wishing to start another argument, just my point of view.

My personal compromise for the limited time that I will be back in Halifax is that I will attend games. However, only games where there are NO HKR players involved. Take that as you wish, but the emotion to me is strong enough not to support the DR link up in the only way I can without abandoning the club I have followed for so long.

"Embrace it or don't bother turning up."

Steady on there old boy, I'm sure if the club are looking for a new ambassador you'd fit the criteria with such arrogance JD, and if those are the rules of engagement, it's see you laters from me...


"As I have said before there will be more at our final game 2015 as there were at the shambolic end of 2014."

Set your goals high eh ? That shouldn't be difficult to achieve i imagine, but when do you class as the end of the season ? I'm thinking those clubs that don't make the "middle 8", effectively finish July in the top 4 are gonna be feeling some pain after the split of divisions.
The only thing "shambolic" about the end of 2014 was the players, coaching & results. Some/many of those players remain at the club, maybe the end of this season is too early to make judgements on Marshall & Billy i think. I reckon there might be more of them leaving if they under-perform for their new gaffer 'cos unfortunately he's inherited the main part of the squad as i understand things. So, in my humbled opinion it isn't quite time as you quote "Time to move on." not just yet.

The "truth" has yet to be discovered.

Hey - you carry on. Don't worry about what I think. I'm happy. It can only be good for Sheffield Eagles.

The truth is, concerning team selection it will be decided by RM and no he's not lying, there's no need to have to wait and be wise after the event on that one, the rest will take care of itself and last as long as it has any usefulness to both clubs.

I will carry on because it's a done deal and I don't worry about what you think concerning the decisions the club takes because I know you support Eagles and not Fax.

As regards being good for Eagles it didn't work out that way last season I seem to remember, this year it could be completely different.

Not intended to be arrogant not in my nature as you well know.
Just my opinion.
Most posters do not agree with dual reg, I for one have never said I am against, I will just be "blindly" led by people who know more about the financial side of our club.
I do think it's time to move on, it's been decided, it won't be reversed by a few petulant people taking their bat home.
Last year we had people saying they wouldn't go again until Karl was gone. Many of those wanted Karl whilst Matt was still with us.
How does staying away help the clubs finance? It just makes it harder for the board.
Pull together, give it a go, see what happens.
Many years ago when I worked for a bank on decimalisation day one old bird told me "it won't last you know"

We are up to 20 pages on this topic now and to be honest we could go on forever. End of the day we live in a democratic country, this is an open forum, and people have different view points. You can't please everybody all of the time and people react to matters, that are important to them, in different ways. If withdrawing your suppport is your way of reacting then that is your perogative. It's a hugely disappointing approach but is your choice, as it is the BOD, as custodians of the club, to run with the DR with HKR-whether we agree with it or not. I sincerely hope that over time Fax will be successful and all supporters will re-unite and get those good times back that we all crave for. Keep smiling.

I agree, time to get behind the club now. Let's hope for a fantastic season in a highly competitive league with lots of twists and turns for all the clubs!

I've never said on this thread that anyone was lying. I leave that to others. Nevertheless, one can only say what one [ithinks[/i the future may bring. It's not certain and one may be wrong.



Fine. Not sure why you mentioned that.





What didn't work out ?

Of course this year could be completely different. A lot can happen in the next nine months. Again, not sure what point you're making.

Sorry Griff, no offence meant but I have no interest in anything you have to say or think about what Halifax decide to do or not do and even less interest in debating about words.

Enjoy your season with the Eagles, I'm sure they will be a force as usual.

Dual reg isn't really just about Fax, is it ? Bearing in mind that only one Championship club isn't involved in it.

It's about how the game is damaged by short term decisions.