I don't think we do have the quality, especially with the players available at the moment. Take our starting pack yesterday, at least 3 wouldn't get in any other championship team. Same to be said of our outside backs (exc JWH). Writing was on the wall last year and could be seen in early season games where we even struggled to put amateur teams away as well as we should have done. Retained too many players who are past their best and seem to have lost their passion. And brought in some players who are of lower quality. Then top this off with clear lack of shape in attack an even more so in defence.

And then we have either no money and/or no clout (or a stubbornness) to bring loan or new players in. We knew 3 months ago we had several key players out for a long period, yet have failed to bring in replacements, the club even suggesting there is no one available despite all other clubs being able to do this. To the extent now that this is getting to be a lack of player welfare. Rumour is at least 1 other (key) player is wanting out.

It's sacrilege to go into the season with a 23- man squad. You only have to look at recent history and seasons of teams who on paper had far worse teams but run with a 25+ man squad, Swinton especially but look at Whitehaven this season and when they finished sixth a season or so ago, not a pot to in but they are extremely competitive and have even structural issue of even attracting players outside of Cumbria. On the pitch we are just not competitive. Yes, some of the players should have been turned over last year and yes, losing key first teamers no doubt will cause disruption but its a squad game for a reason. I cannot help lose sight of the fact that unless the board duped him, Finn was appointed wayyyyyy before the end of season and he would have been working with a projected budget. Donny will tell us everything we need to know. If Jouffret and WBH are both out then salty will have to go to FB, and hopefully Kavanagh is fit then McComb can go back to the wing.

On team selection so far this season more chance of having Kav at Fb and McComb at prop.

TBF Kav has been one of those who have been way off levels of prior years. From all accounts he didn't want to do another year (and it shows) but was persuaded to, body language says it all.

Well i think everyone as pretty much covered what i would of said. We are at the point now of now or never regards bringing in new players it will only get worse if we don't. The players aren't even able to compete against a side that had only won 1 game in the league before yesterday. York even blew a few try scoring chances so it could of been even worse, we look a shambles and i can not see Finn being able to turn this around and avoid relegation.

This year was the first in years I had not bought a season ticket.

But I am glad I did'nt i will not be back until Finn is removed and the players look interested a loss is a loss but unable to continue watch that week in week out and paying 23 a game for that