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| fusion is definately the future, it really is as good as it sounds, unlimited energy friendly and without radiation. Its strange not more resources has been put into the southern france project as its going really slowly. The biggest energy injustice is the fact that they use standard nuclear reactors for, when there is a way of recycling nuclear waste back into reactors, but its as profitable for companies to make these types of reactors, absolutely disgusting
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| Fusion is the best part of a century away - if it's possible at all.
Even if they somehow managed to push through a fully-functioning, comprehensively tested reactor in the next thirty years it'll then take a similar amount of time to develop a scaleable commercial prototype which can be rolled out into the global marketplace.
Only then can the serious work begin of developing an entire fission infrastructure (from the macro-level right down to the micro/regional) which can integrate seamlessly into the existing power-generation framework.
People forget that it took the best part of half a century to develop this country's vast network of fuel storage depots, refineries, service stations etc. etc. - not to mention the dizzying number of vehicles, ships (tankers etc.) which service their needs.
And even if fusion does work out - it still doesn't address the possible shortage of critical products such as plastics, fertilizers, medicines, pesticides etc. in a post-carbon world...
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| I'd like to add my opinion and experience based on this matter Pardon the pun.
Having worked within the fire industry, a portion of my role involved a frequent service and Fire assessment visit to a well known nuclear reactor plant. I had lengthy conversations with the Nuclear plant operators which has given me great insight to understanding of this field with their input.
[iNuclear power is real; nuclear weapons are a hoax[/i. Where to start? Most of the work so far that has been shown in how the pictures from Hiroshima and Nagasaki are obvious photo-manipulations, how the "nuclear arms race" was a series of fear porn advertisements from the "Cold War" theatre, how the claims of explosions and radiation don't match the evidence record.
I'm willing to question that nuclear power too is a hoax but not until I've seen enough strong evidence, and everything I've seen points the other direction. For a quick response to any of the claims that nuclear power plants are "overload" stations and actually powered by coal or something else maybe hydrogen or something else from the grid: these big Super-carrier's required enormous amounts of energy to propel it through the ocean at the speeds it could reach, and there was no corresponding amount of diesel or any other way to achieve that much energy for propulsion.
Further, it is all of my combined knowledge of nuclear physics that led me to question nuclear weapons many years ago, many years before I stopped believing in rockets or satellites or started digging through scientific hoaxes. When a mass of nuclear fuel achieves super-criticality, it melts. The very actions which cause so much energy to be released melt the fuel itself, and as this occurs the chain reaction burns out. Neutrons bombarding nuclei cause fission, but the neutrons released from a fission event are typically moving far too fast to be absorbed by any further nuclei. The nuclear chain reaction requires that the neutrons from fission events go on to be absorbed by other fuel nuclei and cause more fission; in order to achieve this, the neutrons have to be slowed down to speeds[i (thermal energies)[/i low enough that they stand a chance of being absorbed by the fuel nuclei. In a nuclear power plant, a moderator is used to slow down the neutrons and water is often what is used for this ([ialthough there are other materials)[/i. There is nothing in nuclear weapons to slow down the neutrons released from the initial fission, so any chain reaction would die out rather quickly. This is also what we see when prompt criticality is accidentally achieved in nuclear plant accidents ([irapid spike in energy and then a meltdown as the reaction is not sustained[/i). Nuclear power is a delicate game of sustaining that reaction, and a bomb doesn't accomplish that.
Study every nuclear power plant disaster in detail. When prompt criticality is reached, everything melts down. There is no explosion or ridiculously absurd mushroom cloud or half dome of disintegrating energy. Let's take a look at some examples.
[iHere is the US Army's experimental nuclear reactor, SL-1[/i. A control rod was accidentally removed too fast and caused prompt criticality. Result: fuel melted, water quickly vaporized to steam, small steam explosion from rapid expansion of water in a closed space. [url=https://i.imgur.com/oGIb2nD.jpgUS NAVY SL1[/url
Here is Chernobyl. Same thing, once prompt criticality is reached, the fuel quickly melts and the reaction burns itself out. This a massive amount of energy, but not explosive energy that creates some vaporizing wave from a science fiction movie. The only explosion is due to the rapid expansion of the water that is used to cool the fuel, and it is a steam explosion.[url=https://i.imgur.com/Qq4oD05.jpgChernobyl[/url
[u[iBasically. The nuclear weapons Bull that they sell us [/i[/usomehow instead of releasing energy to the immediate environment create some half-dome explosion that radiates outward and upward ([ibut not downward[/i). This is based upon a top secret confidential "geometric arrangement of the nuclear fuel material". There is no scientific explanation that you can find if you dig here, you will have to accept the "confidential geometric arrangement" if you want to continue to believe in magical super weapons.
I personally don't believe nuclear power or weapons exist at all. I think it's been one hell of a massive/brilliant sham in the art of Bull. It's perfect. It's what you can call a classic heist of our hard earned money and minds.
Nuclear energy = clean energy and cheap energy. This is what we were fed and to a degree, still are.
We accept being duped because we simply accept magic for science and will not search out rational minds.
The sooner people remember that you do not get anything more out of something than what you put into it. Nuclear power plays the Einstein game of E=MC2. What does this mean?...basically it means nothing other than absolute clap trap, yet I'm the Loon for saying this because I don't know how the equations work. Does anyone ?....no they don't. The simple thing is. Energy = mass times the speed of light squared. What does this mean ? it means jack . It means that bull can be made up and magic can become as real as possible to the average sheep.
You go and tell someone that nuclear power is not what we are told. The person will look at you like you're a fool and shout, "Uranium fissions inside a reactor as uranium pellets inside a fuel rodfission in water and this happens because Einstein told us about E=MC2.". So there you are. Do not argue with the expert in the street/pub or wherever because they are backed up by a large following of text books and pretty pictures. None of them knowing what the hell they are actually talking about in terms of physically seeing what they adhere to like strong glue.
If people want to believe that lead like pellets inside a rod can simply heat up for 10/15/20 years and create electricity in abundance and then become spent in such a way that in all that time they have only used up 20% of their fuel and have changed shape nor worn down or anything, yet have to be placed inside a 40 feet deep cooling pool for 40 years until they're cool enough to be sorted out.
Seriously. It's easy for people to believe in magic and this is magic. This is the stuff made of fantasy, Moon Landings and Gravity.
I know this particular rabbit hole can run deep with all this stuff. Here's a thing though. We seem to have various power plants in terms of nuclear and how they operate.
Boiling water reactor [i(BWR[/i), pressurised water reactor [i(PWR),[/i liquid metal fast breeder reactor [i(LMFBR). [/iThen there's the different coolants and what not. It seems ridiculous when you think about it but it is probably an excellent ruse in their game for how thy actually utilise those power stations., some of them don't show signs of storage containers and some do. Maybe some are playing with other by-products.
I especially believe the nuclear submarine lark is absolutely bogus. I believe those are some kind of Stirling type engine.
Also the nuclear warheads blasted out vertically from them by....wait for it....[i..COMPRESSED FRIGGING AIR.[/i This pushes the massive missile out of the deep water and into the atmosphere where it then ignites and flies to its target. Hahahaha.
They must be laughing their war heads off at us, whoever it is at the top. Sometimes I don't know whether to admire them for the clever bull in shoving it in our faces yet still leaving us doped up or to sit back sucking my thumb rocking in my chair .Hahaha.
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| Here we go again... Search, copy, paste, repeat!
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| Leading scientists of Nazi Germany including[i Werner Heisenberg [/iwere captured by the British in 1945 and housed for a while at Farm Hall in England. Their private conversations were secretly recorded which remained a secret for many decades as it revealed they did not have a clue about nuclear weapons. These leaders of the alleged Nazi atom bomb project were painfully ignorant about such affairs, and when news of Hiroshima and Nagasaki came their way, it shocked them badly. They didn't have a clue. So much for a Nazi atom bomb program. It's american propaganda.
This book is a transcript of their secretly recorded conversations:
'Hitler's Uranium Club: The Farm Hall [url=http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Uranium-Club-Secret-Recordings/dp/0387950893Transcripts[/url
Compiled by Jeremy Bernstein
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You have to be a special kind of deluded to believe there was no Hiroshima nor Nagasaki.
There have been and are thousnads of nuclear powered ships, inclduing submarines and aircraft carriers, and Russia operates nuclear icebreakers regularly in the Arctic.
www.world-nuclear.org/info/non-p ... red-ships/
There are 438 nuclear power plants in 31 countries.
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You have to be a special kind of deluded to believe there was no Hiroshima nor Nagasaki.
There have been and are thousnads of nuclear powered ships, inclduing submarines and aircraft carriers, and Russia operates nuclear icebreakers regularly in the Arctic.
www.world-nuclear.org/info/non-p ... red-ships/
There are 438 nuclear power plants in 31 countries.
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| On this subject, you might be interested in checking out a book published in 1950 by a Russian aviator deeply involved in the formation of the US Air Force by the name of Alexander P. DeSeversky and entitled "Air Power: Key to Survival' which contains rich information about the 1945 bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki as DeSeversky was the chief inspector of these bombed out cities and found results which radically contradicted the scientific establishment and which were also published in Reader's Digest in 1946. DeSeversky was also an eyewitness of the 1946 Bikini island bomb test with the famous mushroom cloud photos surrounded by battleships. DeSeversky shreds the common interpretation of this explosion and photograph in his book as well as of the Alamagordo, New Mexico bomb test earlier in 1945.
[url=http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/335/1/books.pdfAir Power Key to Survival[/url'
By Alexander DeSeversky
Walt Disney incidentally produced a 1943 war movie entitled 'Victory Through Air Power' based on DeSeversky's book of the same name and had a direct influence upon the subsequent founding of the Air Force as a separate military branch.
'Alexander P. DeSeversky [url=https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=0bnUAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA331&dq=Quest+for+air+power+to+survival&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjcibbmnZ_KAhVMOhQKHYW0DSgQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=Quest%20for%20air%20power%20to%20survival&f=falseQuest For Air Power[/url
(a recent biography of DeSeversky which contains a chapter on his analysis of nuclear bombs and the congressional hearing in which he was questioned about this by hostile pro-Navy senators from Connecticut USA).
A few facts from DeSeversky's second book[u[i 'Air Power: Key to Survival' that are worth mentioning: [/i[/u
It has photographs of several areas of Hiroshima and Nagasaki that were unaffected by the bombs, and the photos were taken less than a month after the bombs were dropped. These photos and photos like them were strictly censored and not allowed to reach the American public.
Hiroshima's tram cable car transportation system was back working everywhere throughout the city ([ieven in the most damaged areas[/i) less than 48 hours after the bomb was dropped on the city.
The 1945 Alamagordo, New Mexico test did explode a bomb attached to a 100 foot tall tower as mimicked in the otherwise mythical Harrison Ford movie scene. DeSeversky quotes an eyewitness to this event who was a Manhattan project scientist who wrote that the tower that held the bomb was not even destroyed by the bomb's explosion. The bottom half of the tower was still standing, and this object was obviously at the centre of this "nuclear" bomb explosion. This fact can be verified because this scientist wrote a book which contains this statement.
The information about atomic bombs takes about two or three chapters of DeSeversky's book which is primarily about combating outdated nineteenth century military strategy still extent especially in the navy. He was a disciple of the dynamic and outspoken Billy Mitchell and also a friend of Lord Trenchard, founder of the British RAF. Politically, he was an anti-communist conservative, but the book is interesting. If one wanted a big picture strategy of how to destroy american military and industrial power, this book shows how to do it. It's in Billy Mitchell's "vital centres" doctrine.
Like i explained in my first post on this topic .[i There is nothing in nuclear weapons to slow down the neutrons released from the initial fission, so any chain reaction would die out rather quickly. This is also what we see when prompt criticality is accidentally achieved in nuclear plant accidents (rapid spike in energy and then a meltdown as the reaction is not sustained). Nuclear power is a delicate game of sustaining that reaction, and a bomb doesn't accomplish that.[/i
I've added another astonishing link Uncovering [url=http://aetherforce.com/nuclear-bomb-hoax/The Nuclear Hoax[/url There's plenty more literature and publishings within this field exposing this big Whopping fear mongering pork pies.
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| As we're cutting and pasting, I thought as good a way as any to debunk your nonsense was this
Quote ="Political analyst Franklin Ryckaert"
The political implications of atomic bombs being a fraud would be enormous.
It would mean not only that the US had cheated the world, but also that the UK, France, Russia, China, India, Pakistan and Israel had been cheating the world in a similar way.
The “treason” of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg would have been a fraud, and they would have been executed for nothing.
The Israeli whistleblower Vanunu would have been lying also, by “exposing” Israel’s nuclear arms program when no such program existed.
Israel would also be feigning right now to be concerned about a possible Iranian nuclear bomb, knowing that no such bomb had ever been built.
As for the Cuban missile crisis of 1962, that too would have been a total fake, with both Khrushchev and Kennedy cynically aware that they were engaged in a bogus argument about non-existent WMD!
Occam’s Razor would suggest that none of this nonsense is possible.'"
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"As we're cutting and pasting, I thought as good a way as any to debunk your nonsense was this
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Stanley has to be the best bogus account ever.
He's strung us all along for ages with his mystical paranoia, but it isn't real. You can't sit in such a small ideological echo chamber without, at some point, realising that you're so far down the rabbit hole that the next bit of willful ignorance or carefully constructed lie is more ridiculous than the last. Normal human beings are more honest with themselves and I believe Stan in his heart knows this. He just posts his whacked-out ideas to make people like you and I smash our faces against our desks.
I applaud him for his well constructed word salads and world-class asyndesis, but that's all it is, and I think he's playing us along...
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| Back on topic. [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sULjMjK5lCINukes Do Not Exist[/url
The Nuclear Hoax the above documentary explores the truth about nuclear energy and the surprisingly abundant evidence that nuclear weapons are a hoax. Many of the nuclear explosion videos we have all seen and presumed real are shown to be complete fakes using model trees, houses and cars exploding on a set.
The destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not the result of one large explosion as advertised, but rather the result of a fire-bombing campaign comparable to Tokyo's fire-bombed remains. Hiroshima and Nagasaki also never experienced anything like the hundreds or thousands of years of radiation predicted by nuclear scientists, in fact, vegetation began growing within a month after the bombing, and the Japanese people began rebuilding almost immediately=#FF0000. Some nuclear physicists even claim nuclear weaponry fraudulent based solely on the technical impossibilities of fission material not to be incinerated before triggering the necessary chain reaction. Top nuclear physicist Galen Winsor explains how nuclear power plants are essentially just steam plants and nothing but the most expensive and effective way to boil water. He completely blows the lid off the idea of nuclear meltdown or nuclear waste, and even eats a good portion of live radioactive waste on camera which he claims to have been doing for years His professional opinion is that fear of nuclear radiation has been greatly exaggerated to scare people and so a few powerful organizations can maintain total control of the world's most valuable energy resource. Even the government teaching school-children to hide under their desks just to induce fear and funnel black tax money into a fake Cold War arms race as big and deceptive as the fake Space Race.
With regards to the Anti Semite Franklin Ryckyaert - [url=http://atomicinsights.com/galen-winsor-asks-who-owns-the-plutonium-how-much-is-it-worth/This Nuclear Physisist Galem Winsor[/url urines all over his chips.
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| I'm interested in how these firebombing campaigns were done with one plane in one minute, as opposed to hundreds of squadrons of bombers dropping hundreds of thousands of incendiary bombs over several days.
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| Haha.
His stuff is gold.
If there was an award for believing the most gullible guff while maintaining nearly everyone else is wrong, he'd be Premier league.
Has anyone complied a list of his absurdities yet?
I think he's collecting conspiracies.
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| I can't wait to hear his explanation of Chernobyl and how the fallout of the last 30 years has merely been 'fake'.
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| In the book Vatican Assassins by Eric Jon Phelps (a non-fiction book about The history of the Jesuits) it is suggested that the bombs used on Japan in WWII were actually placed on the ground beforehand and exploded there. The US bombers having dropped dummy bombs. The reason being that the technology for dropping a-bombs from altitude wasn't developed at that time. This would mean that they'd have to have had cooperation with elements in the Japanese government to place (or construct) the real bombs on the ground ahead of time.
Before you get carried away with your ideas that only so-called nukes can create mushroom clouds I must remind you that conventional bombs detonated at ground level will generate the characteristic mushroom cloud. As the ground level bomb explodes it grows into a big dome of expanding hot gasses. As this dome rises into the cooler upper air mass the air rushing in under the dome creates the mushroom top with curved edges representing the airflow. The stem is made up of the rising column of smoke and heat from the epicentre still fed by the hottest gasses at the point of detonation.
A high altitude blast negates these conditions by heating the air mass around it, above and below, uniformly. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were said to have been bombed with detonations at high altitude. The presence of a mushroom cloud for those exposes the hoax.
With regards to Chernobyl.
Fallacy #1: Chernobyl created the human physical anomalies phenomenon.
Truth: Anomalies existed a very long time before the fertile imaginations of the NWO decided to use them to prop their nuclear reactor hoax.
Fallacy #2: Chernobyl accident proves the existence of commercially viable nuclear energy production.
Truth: Chernobyl proves that a boiler kettle dump load under great pressure can explode, kill and injure people and be exploited as a nuclear accident.
Fallacy #3: Chernobyl produced radiation that killed people exposed to it and injured many others with cancers caused by radiation.
Truth: All insect, animal, birds residing in the so-called "hot" zones were miraculously untouched. No dead dogs, cats, squirrels, snakes, insects. None suffering mutations.
Fallacy #4: The government has no interest in faking the Chernobyl explosion to promote a nuclear reactor hoax.
Truth: Every time commercially-viable nuclear energy claims are put into question the believers chant[i Chernobyl [/ias if some magical incantation to make sceptics go away.[i A prime piece of hoax maintenance.[/i
Fallacy #5: It is a dishonour to the dead at Chernobyl to doubt the claims of commercially viable nuclear energy production.
Truth: Its really no worse than questioning the causes of any other deaths said to have been caused by an explosion anywhere else in the world. Explosion Tragedies unfortunately happen Blame the deception perception.
We can settle this no problem..ask the local nuclear power station if you can go and clean the nuclear pile or dump load. Take The Butcher with you, I'm not only bored with his stalking, attempted derailing tactics and dribbling rantings, but you can put him in the pile by proxy. Hahahahaha
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Derail.
I don't have to do anything to make you go off point. You're ideas are all over the place.
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Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"In the book Vatican Assassins by Eric Jon Phelps (a non-fiction book about The history of the Jesuits) it is suggested that the bombs used on Japan in WWII were actually placed on the ground beforehand and exploded there. The US bombers having dropped dummy bombs. The reason being that the technology for dropping a-bombs from altitude wasn't developed at that time. This would mean that they'd have to have had cooperation with elements in the Japanese government to place (or construct) the real bombs on the ground ahead of time.'"
This sounds plausible. Nuclear bombs did not and still don't exist. However, the US was unable to detonate the nuclear bombs they didn't have as they hadn't developed the technology to drop non-existent bombs from altitude at the time.
So, despite being in a war to the death, they got the Japanese government to allow them to transport an atomic bomb from the United States to the centre of Hiroshima, and then to synchronize the blast to make it look as if it was a bomb that had been dropped from a plane.
And all for nothing, too, as the war continued.
Comedy gold, this!
Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"Before you get carried away with your ideas that only so-called nukes can create mushroom clouds '"
Who mentioned mushroom clouds? WTF have they to do with it?
Quote ="FLAT STANLEY" I must remind you that conventional bombs detonated at ground level will generate the characteristic mushroom cloud. '"
No, they won't. The Hiroshima cloud reached an altitude of over 60,000 feet in around ten minutes. No conventioanl bomb would come even close. Of course, I assume the photos are all fake?
Here is one taken from Enola Gay around 30 seconds after the blast. Enola Gay is at 30,000 feet and already the cloud is plainly higher than that altitude.
Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"Hiroshima and Nagasaki were said to have been bombed with detonations at high altitude. '"
Said by whom? Expert straw man builders like you? The Hiroshima bomb was detonated at 600 metres and the Nagasaki bomb at 500 metres, so extremely low altitude. These altitudes were specifically chosen so as to
(a) flatten the maximum number of structures (b) create the maximum possible firestorm; and
(c) kill the maximum number of people for the added benefit of minimising the number of persons available to fight fires and maximise the firestorm.
It was in fact a British scientist, Willam Penney, who was chiefly responsible for calculating the optimum detonation heights of nuclear bombs. You can read his declassified work here:
blog.nuclecrecy.com/wp-conte ... Gadget.pdf
But no doubt that's a fake too?
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Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"In the book Vatican Assassins by Eric Jon Phelps (a non-fiction book about The history of the Jesuits) it is suggested that the bombs used on Japan in WWII were actually placed on the ground beforehand and exploded there. The US bombers having dropped dummy bombs. The reason being that the technology for dropping a-bombs from altitude wasn't developed at that time. This would mean that they'd have to have had cooperation with elements in the Japanese government to place (or construct) the real bombs on the ground ahead of time.'"
This sounds plausible. Nuclear bombs did not and still don't exist. However, the US was unable to detonate the nuclear bombs they didn't have as they hadn't developed the technology to drop non-existent bombs from altitude at the time.
So, despite being in a war to the death, they got the Japanese government to allow them to transport an atomic bomb from the United States to the centre of Hiroshima, and then to synchronize the blast to make it look as if it was a bomb that had been dropped from a plane.
And all for nothing, too, as the war continued.
Comedy gold, this!
Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"Before you get carried away with your ideas that only so-called nukes can create mushroom clouds '"
Who mentioned mushroom clouds? WTF have they to do with it?
Quote ="FLAT STANLEY" I must remind you that conventional bombs detonated at ground level will generate the characteristic mushroom cloud. '"
No, they won't. The Hiroshima cloud reached an altitude of over 60,000 feet in around ten minutes. No conventioanl bomb would come even close. Of course, I assume the photos are all fake?
Here is one taken from Enola Gay around 30 seconds after the blast. Enola Gay is at 30,000 feet and already the cloud is plainly higher than that altitude.
Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"Hiroshima and Nagasaki were said to have been bombed with detonations at high altitude. '"
Said by whom? Expert straw man builders like you? The Hiroshima bomb was detonated at 600 metres and the Nagasaki bomb at 500 metres, so extremely low altitude. These altitudes were specifically chosen so as to
(a) flatten the maximum number of structures (b) create the maximum possible firestorm; and
(c) kill the maximum number of people for the added benefit of minimising the number of persons available to fight fires and maximise the firestorm.
It was in fact a British scientist, Willam Penney, who was chiefly responsible for calculating the optimum detonation heights of nuclear bombs. You can read his declassified work here:
blog.nuclecrecy.com/wp-conte ... Gadget.pdf
But no doubt that's a fake too?
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| Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"
The destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not the result of one large explosion as advertised, but rather the result of a fire-bombing campaign comparable to Tokyo's fire-bombed remains.'"
The crucial difference between cities devastated by firebombing and cities like Hiroshima and Nagasaki, which were devastated by atom bombs, is that hundreds of planes in constant relays over several days are necessary for the firebombing of cities, whereas ONE PLANE CARRYING ONE BOMB was sufficient for Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Let's have a look at the facts about firebombing Tokyo and see if they hold-up against your idea that something identical happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. According to the Institute for historical review ([urlhttp://www.ihr.org/jhr/v16/v16n3p-4_Weber.html[/url, On March 9-10, 1945, a wave of 300 American bombers struck Tokyo, killing 100,000 people. 1700 tons of bombs were necessary to accomplish this devastation. On May 23, 1945, “520 giant B-29 ‘Superfortress’ American bombers unleashed 4,500 tons of incendiary bombs n the heart of the already battered Japanese capital.” Two days later, on May 25, “a second strike of 502 ‘Superfortress’ planes roared low over Tokyo, raining down 4,000 tons of explosives." If Hiroshima and Nagasaki had been given the identical firebombing treatment, as the conspiracy theory asserts, they too would have required hundreds of giant planes dropping thousands of tons of explosives over several days.
We know for a fact—for the Japanese victims were themselves eyewitnesses to each atomic attack—that only ONE plane dropping ONE bomb was sufficient to accomplish the devastation at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The bomb dropped on Nagasaki, for example, weighed 10,000 pounds. Note that: pounds, not tons.
For firebombing Tokyo, tons of bombs were necessary over several days. At Nagasaki, one much lighter bomb, weighed in pounds not tons, did the trick in nine seconds.
Nine seconds.
Like Tokyo and other Japanese cities, many German cities were subjected to firebombing. In all cases, hundreds of planes carrying thousands of tons of explosives were necessary over a period of several days in order to accomplish the devastation. Not one of these cities was reduced to ruins within a few seconds, as in the case of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Nor did any of these other firebombed cities report “the trans-generational malignancies and immune deficiencies caused by the deadly plutonium and other radioactive isotopes produced by the bomb.”
The facts say otherwise to your assertion without proper evidence, and that's without going into the ridiculous consequences of Nuclear weapons being all pretend that you elude to.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Said by whom? Expert straw man builders like you? [i The Hiroshima bomb was detonated at 600 metres and the Nagasaki bomb at 500 metres, so extremely low altitude[/i. These altitudes were specifically chosen so as to
(a) flatten the maximum number of structures (b) create the maximum possible firestorm; and
(c) kill the maximum number of people for the added benefit of minimising the number of persons available to fight fires and maximise the firestorm.'"
Hahahaha Comedy gold is this. Taken from Wikipedia: You stated erroneously highlighted above low altitude, when in fact it was [url=https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=high%20altitude%20definitionHigh Altitude[/url Altitude is defined on the following scale: High altitude: 8,000 - 12,000 feet (2,438 - 3,658 meters); Very high altitude: 12,000 - 18,000 feet (3,658 - 5,487 meters); and. Extremely high altitude: 18,000+ feet (5,500+ meters). You forgot to read up on your Altitudes. hahaha. Comedy Gold.
The bombing
Hiroshima was the primary target of the first nuclear bombing mission on August 6, with Kokura and Nagasaki as alternative targets. Having been fully briefed under the terms of Operations Order No. 35, the 393d Bombardment Squadron B-29 Enola Gay, piloted by Tibbets, took off from North Field, Tinian, about six hours' flight time from Japan. The Enola Gay (named after Tibbets' mother) was accompanied by two other B-29s. The Great Artiste, commanded by Major Charles Sweeney, carried instrumentation, and a then-nameless aircraft later called Necessary Evil, commanded by Captain George Marquardt, served as the photography aircraft.[119
After leaving Tinian the aircraft made their way separately to Iwo Jima to rendezvous with Sweeney and Marquardt at [i05:55 at 9,200 feet (2,800 m[/i),[121 and set course for Japan. The aircraft arrived over the target in clear visibility at [i31,060 feet (9,470 m)[/i.[122 Parsons, who was in command of the mission, armed the bomb during the flight to minimize the risks during takeoff. He had witnessed four B-29s crash and burn at takeoff, and feared that a nuclear explosion would occur if a B-29 crashed with an armed Little Boy on board.[123 His assistant, Second Lieutenant Morris R. Jeppson, removed the safety devices 30 minutes before reaching the target area.[124
Hahahaha. High Altitude as i claimed earlier [i high altitude blast negates these conditions by heating the air mass around it, above and below, uniformly. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were said to have been bombed with detonations at high altitude. The presence of a mushroom cloud for those exposes the hoax[/i Comedy Gold
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| Can I ask a genuine question, Stanley?
If nuclear weapons are fake, NASA is fake, We're being tricked into thinking the earth is flat, that evolution is a hoax, that there's secret societies controlling the world for their own benefit, and probably lots of other ideas that you haven't made public. Why? and what links all these ideas together into a coherent whole? and what sources do you rely on for these claims and how do you verify their accuracy?
I'm genuinely interested.
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| Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"Hahahaha Comedy gold is this. Taken from Wikipedia: You stated erroneously highlighted above low altitude, when in fact it was [url=https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=high%20altitude%20definitionHigh Altitude[/url Altitude is defined on the following scale: High altitude: 8,000 - 12,000 feet (2,438 - 3,658 meters); Very high altitude: 12,000 - 18,000 feet (3,658 - 5,487 meters); and. Extremely high altitude: 18,000+ feet (5,500+ meters). You forgot to read up on your Altitudes. hahaha. Comedy Gold.
The bombing
Hiroshima was the primary target of the first nuclear bombing mission on August 6, with Kokura and Nagasaki as alternative targets. Having been fully briefed under the terms of Operations Order No. 35, the 393d Bombardment Squadron B-29 Enola Gay, piloted by Tibbets, took off from North Field, Tinian, about six hours' flight time from Japan. The Enola Gay (named after Tibbets' mother) was accompanied by two other B-29s. The Great Artiste, commanded by Major Charles Sweeney, carried instrumentation, and a then-nameless aircraft later called Necessary Evil, commanded by Captain George Marquardt, served as the photography aircraft.[119
After leaving Tinian the aircraft made their way separately to Iwo Jima to rendezvous with Sweeney and Marquardt at [i05:55 at 9,200 feet (2,800 m[/i),[121 and set course for Japan. The aircraft arrived over the target in clear visibility at [i31,060 feet (9,470 m)[/i.[122 Parsons, who was in command of the mission, armed the bomb during the flight to minimize the risks during takeoff. He had witnessed four B-29s crash and burn at takeoff, and feared that a nuclear explosion would occur if a B-29 crashed with an armed Little Boy on board.[123 His assistant, Second Lieutenant Morris R. Jeppson, removed the safety devices 30 minutes before reaching the target area.[124
Hahahaha. High Altitude as i claimed earlier[i high altitude blast negates these conditions by heating the air mass around it, above and below, uniformly. Hiroshima and Nagasaki were said to have been bombed with detonations at high altitude. The presence of a mushroom cloud for those exposes the hoax[/i Comedy Gold
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OMFG
Stanley, you are drunk. When you sober up, please note, they DON'T EXPLODE THE BOMB INSIDE THE FUC =#FFFFFF[size=5.[/sizeKING PLANE. (Can you think of any good reason why they don't do that?)
The PLANE is at a fairly high altitude. The question was about the altitude at which the bomb explodes.
Btw, why would Parsons fear anything, if there was as you claim actually no nuke on board, and indeed nukes didn't exist?
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| Sorry Butcher i'll answer your question in due course i got sidetracked again by an irate erroneous inaccurate copy and paste frenzy.
All footage that had to do with a mushroom cloud was faked. Mushroom clouds do not grow from high altitude blasts. A mushroom cloud must be seeded from ground level to express it's characteristic shape.
The post bombing photos of Hiroshima and Nagasaki appear to be correct. These pictures bare the signature of an M-69 fire bombing attack exactly like the attack on Tokyo 6 months earlier.
Also note that Japan became the target of the highest degree of censorship following those historical bombings. No information left Japan in the media or otherwise without US approval. The hoaxster's paradise in fact.
Speaking of radiation the experts said nothing would grow in Hiroshima for 70 years following the bombing yet Oleanders were growing everywhere just one week after. The hoaxsters called that a miracle.
Seismological data or seismic records of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and Novaya Zemlya are AWOL, missing. Especially the 50 megaton Tsar Bomba should have bent seismometer needles all the way around the world yet not one is there to be examined. Hiroshima was estimated to be the Richter equivalent of 6.4 which means the Soviets had the means to confirm the false claims of the American hoaxsters. Of course the Soviet leadership had similar hoax plans so they clammed up instead and played their cold war hoax.
I don't mind challenges to my information I welcome them. Haven't found one yet that has made me change my mind but I still welcome the questions being challenged with rationality.
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| Whilst I await your reply to my last correction of your bullcrap, your basic premise is just wrong. The bombs were exploded at 500 metres and 600 metres. Not at "high altitude". Which bit of that are you having trouble with? It's not much higher than the Empire State building. Why would you persist with your straw man about them being detonated at "high altitude"? Do you think nobody sees through it?
Quote Especially the 50 megaton Tsar Bomba should have bent seismometer needles all the way around the world yet not one is there to be examined.'"
Have you checked with all seismic ground stations, then? Can you post their replies? Oh, you forgot to mention that this bomb was an airburst, approx 4000 metres. Or that Quote it produced pressure oscillations in the atmosphere that were recorded on barograms around the world in much the same manner as the pressure oscillations that followed the eruption of Krakatoa in 1883, when as many as seven passages of the wave-front between Krakatoa and its antipode were observed.
Symons, G. J. , The Eruption of Krakatoa and Subsequent Phenomena (Trubner and Co., London, 188icon_cool.gif.
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Quote Hiroshima was estimated to be the Richter equivalent of 6.4 which means the Soviets had the means to confirm the false claims of the American hoaxsters'"
It wasn't, in this context, but nevertheless the Soviets, if they did have the means, notably did not denounce the claims as fake. Which to most people supports the logical conclusion that that the bomb was real. But to you, it's conspiracy on conspiracy, and so if the Soviets fail to "confirm the false claims" that doesn't mean the Americans HAD exploded a bomb ... it means ... well, it must mean that ... the Russians were in on the fakery!
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Have you checked with all seismic ground stations, then? Can you post their replies?T:'"
Exactly as i explained there's no Seismic Data to research. Try digging yourself for the elusive Math. Or come up with some of your Mumbo Jumbo copy and paste frenzied outbursts.
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| My view of this Nuclear fraud, Is so called nuclear power generating plants are dump loads, big kettles that boil off the excess energy produced by the big utilities. They don't generate any energy they dispose of it so the big utilities can justify high domestic energy rates. By hiding the surplus this way they are creating the illusion of an energy shortage and they can keep your electricity bills as high as possible. Plus they make billions selling these huge kettles as so called nuclear power generators. That my gist.
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