I don't need to watch i've already observed the fraud. I think it is a total hoax. Russia, Canada, China, and Japan are all in on it together. The videos of the astronauts brainwashing the youth sickens me. Our Government run media conforming to this sickens me. It's just like back with the fake moon landings. The videos are nothing but pure entertainment propaganda and distraction. They are made to reinforce the deception and make everyone believe we are advancing in space.

Some questions I have: Regarding the ISS

[ikeep in mind during ISS videos and space walks the earth is moving around the sun at 18 miles per second and spinning on its own at 1,000 mph, and the ISS at 17,000 mph but everything looks completely still.[/i
=#FF0000Simples they both aren't moving[i
[iwhy not MANY camera's on live feed rather than just one. With 360° Trajectory to prove their location.[/i[/i
=#BF0000Because many cameras would expose their lies, the less they show the less they know.
[iwhy we never see Star Constellations, Moon, Sun, Mars, Venus and the 3500 orbiting Satellites Etc... in the screen shots.[/i
=#FF0000Because if they show constellations they can be recorded to their true location exposing the scam.
[iWhy they never point their fisheye lenses at the Stars or Moon Always just earth and astronauts.[/i
=#FF0000To focus on the false curvature, mind control. They can't show Sun and Moon shots in a pool.
[iwhy is most of the view of earth obstructed by ISS[/i
=#FF0000Again fixating the mind control with CGI.
[iwhy is earth usually water, no land mass on all shots.[/i
=#FF0000Because its not a real image they'd have to get the land masses exact to realtime for cloud cover getting this wrong would expose the fraud.
[iI don't see the earth's tilted axis. Never[/i.
=#FF0000Because it ain't tilted.
[iWhy in most pictures and videos of Spacewalk's do we see the curve of the earth. Seems too convenient.[/i
=#FF0000Exactly again its all Green Screen mind control fixating on the curve
[iwhere are all the satellites in the pics and live feed[/i
=#BF0000Elusive. You tell me.
[iwhere are the 3600 pieces of space junk NASA says orbits the earth in these clips.and live feed.[/i
=#BF0000Again so evasive.
why in interviews with astronauts do they never point the camera out the window to show us earth.
=#800000Because its Green Screen pre recorded interview from a studio.
[iWhy don’t they ever take a weekend trip to the moon.[/i
=#BF0000Impossible reality.
[iWith no gravity to keep food down, how does it go and stay down[/i
=#FF0000Impossible.[i
What happens to sweat from exercising[/i
=#FF0000Very Smelly place
[iZERO privacy for six months. Serious mental risk.[/i
=#BF0000Exactly it'd be too hostile
[iNo shower for six months.[/i
=#FF0000Skin disorders no doubt.
[iHow is Oxygen regenerated.[/i
=#BF0000It Can't Simples
[iTheir videos are all ENTERTAINMENT based, not science based.[/i
=#800000Mind Control based.
Ten people drown EVERY day, yet no deaths in space. We are comfortable here on earth and there is a second chance for air if you’re under water. There are NO second chances in space. It is a totally foreign and very hostile environment. It's like they want us to think humans are indestructible.

[iHow come we don't see the earths spin from the ISS.[/i
=#FF0000Good Question
[iSpacewalks travelling 5 MPS in pure vacuum is laughable and impossible. [/i
=#BF0000True

I believe the outcome of a biological entity's exposure to the vacuum of space has only ever been communicated by accounts referenced and never demonstrated to the public. I always found this as a morbid curiosity that has gone unanswered.
[iAgain we saw BUBBLES in space and the morbid excuse was quickly endorsed.[/i
=#FF0040Green Screen shot in a pool.
The ISS is looking more and more like Comedy Central, day by day.

The big problem here is that if an unshakable religious conviction drives your ideology, in this case religious literalism with a flat earth, then absolutely nothing would convince you if it contradicts that view. Hard facts and evidence matter not because it's the view that fuels the rest of it. You can't possibly remain on the fence with anything you research or look into because you rely on an unshakable belief, and when I say belief I mean constructing your worldview around something with no evidence to start with. Actual evidence is easily ignored, constructed, or bent to fit your view rather than the evidence shaping the belief if your starting point is something without evidence to begin with.

If you were absolutely, genuinely going to go where the evidence leads then you need to start with the base belief that fuels the rest, in this case a religious interpretation of the earth and universe. If you can't be honest at the start, no matter how uncomfortable it makes you feel, then it becomes easier and easier to discount anything that challenges that view.

For me, the ramblings of a Bronze-age desert nomadic people are no longer valid passages on explaining the universe after all we've learned and discovered and actually know. Because of your natural bias to religion I feel it a pointless exercise to carry on contributing to threads that are clearly flying against your core belief.

I'm not going to shake your beliefs, Stanley. Only you can do that. Until you genuinely do that I can't contribute anything to your conversation.

Cheers.

Stan, as you ignore the obvious yet again, just one night, do look up and watch the ISS. Then you will KNOW it is there, because you can watch it. NASA doesn't know where you are, or when you will be looking, so can't fake it to fool you.

How do they breathe? Here - a cut'n'paste mugs guide just for you:



If you don't believe in electrolysis, it's facile to set up your own home experiment and prove it for yourself.

But, just watching the ISS pass over would be an important baby step for you. Once you can bring yourself to see with your own eyes, unadulterated, that there it is, then your climb out of you pit of religious delusion can begin.

But if you won't look, what can we do?

[iThis is not the case at all.You're simply trying to psycho analyse me which is pathetic. Yes i believe in a Creator and Geocentrism supports this fact but the fallacy and lack of authentic evidence of the spinning ball theory is what spurs my core belief. Nothing can shake your true heliocentric view which is a bit hypocritical coming from you. You explained to me that that you're a 100% evidence type of guy and 99% is not good enough for you to swallow. Well there's holes as big as craters if you could be d to scrutinize NASA but you dismiss the evidence on this. Again how hypocritical of you.[/i

Copy, paste, repeat. If NASA said they landed on the Sun you'd swallow it...look up hologram technology. Its quite fascinating technology, great for hoaxing people like you. It's [url=http://vrdorado.com/article/2015-06-25-nasa-is-launching-microsofts-hologram-technology-to-the-space-stationNASA's Baby[/url this technology. Also checkout [url=http://www.news.com.au/technology/project-blue-beam-conspiracy-theory-suggests-nasa-has-secret-plans-to-create-new-world-order/news-story/25266f2c57e89e139f0fa9daddeb0953Project Bluebeam.[/url
And before the usual cranial insults are bellowed checkout this NASA scientists [url=http://www.conspiracyclub.co/hologram-designed-by-aliens/Testimony[/url His words not mine.

I wasn't at all. I was going off what you posted earlier in the thread after you commented on what I said about religion.

I'm genuinely open to having my mind changed on a subject if it can be evidenced correctly and not full of holes. The things you are saying in these threads don't stand up to scrutiny. They simply don't. You also can't go around telling everyone to open their eyes and that the reality that everyone else knows is somehow wrong when it plainly works in a way that can be observed, tested, and relied upon. Big claims require big evidence. It's not up to everyone else to prove reality. It's already been done! We live in and with it. If you claim that the laws of physics are suspended just for us on a disc, it's up to you to prove it, not the rest of us to prove it's wrong. The burden of proof is with the claim.

The trouble is, Stan, is that you are so far down the rabbit hole it's almost impossible to climb back out. The Earth isn't flat. Nasa really does do stuff in space. Satellites are real. The world isn't run by some Satanic secret society. Stars are real. The sun really is far away. The ISS really is orbiting the planet. GPS is real. The Earth is old. We're all related. Evolution connects every living thing. We're apes. This isn't me blinded by some kind of indoctrination, it's reality. Proven. Tested. Relied upon.

It's not a big conspiracy.

Your aggressive tone does you no favours either.

Darwinsim (Evolution) is a Religion. These evolutionists are radicals no different than ISIS (Radical Islam) or Radical Christians.
Darwinists are ignorant. They simply will not let go of the idea that they have come from Rocks. They insist their ancestors are ape-like creatures. How Bizarre. Everything came from nothing.

I don't wish to derail your religious belief. Good on you.

I'm not sure how many fallacies you can fit in one post, but that's a good effort.

Are you saying that the ISS is in fact a planet- wide hologram?

Really?

No i'm saying the real ISS is ground based in a perfectly designed studio,

Another fingers-in-ears moment? As you well know, I meant the one which every human on Earth can watch as it orbits the globe. What is that, given you say it can't be the ISS?

[iOkay , Lets take on the Moon landing subject, NASA's evidence of the Lunar landing has been pulled apart. by "Scientists".Their evidence is full of glaring holes and the Actornaughts have been secretly filmed faking the Globes curvature in Very low orbit see in this [url=https://youtu.be/xciCJfbTvE4Footage[/url or if you can't digest it watch it from [url=https://youtu.be/xciCJfbTvE4?t=126922 minutes[/url is where the real meat on the bones begins. So here is actual secret footage of the Actornaughts caught red handed faking their mission. So the question must be put to you. Does 100% evidence still adjudicate your judgement.?. This documentary smashes holes in the Moon Landing. You've done the talking can you do the walking. Simple question[/i

[iYou see Butcher your very good at observing splinters in other peoples eyes, but you fail to see the plank in your own. Your stuck in the theoretical Darwinian Rabbit hole where evolution is more bizarre than any outrageous conspiracy. The Globe has never been proved, NASA really do fake space, Satellites have never been proven, The World is absolutely being dominated by an occult Shadow Organisation, Stars are just wandering and twinkling in the firmament, The ISS is in a specialised studio,, GPS is ground based triangulation, the earth is old, we're all related through creation, I'm am 100% human and not an Ape. You are totally indoctrinated into Heliocentric Darwinian Theories which is a world view religious concept. And who said that my ideas are based on a Religious Ideology, when your true belief system proves this very contradiction. Its just Freemasonic Theories indoctrinated into the curriculum and never was proven it was just accepted as truth without any conviction. Take the plank out of your own eye before observing splinters in others..Cheers[/i

Loved the Matthew 7-4.5 metaphor. I couldn't stay silent on this discipline so heres my detailed affinity. Darwin himself failed to conceive his own theorized natural process belief as he was a Freemason. This Society itself holds a significant account of its formation and its existence based upon the scriptures of the Genesis account where Eve was fooled by Satan in the Garden of Eden where she ate the fruit from the tree of knowledge. In Freemasonry this scripture is the baseline of their dogma to worship Satan for setting free mankind and giving mankind the knowledge of perceiving what is Good and Evil.

The Darwinian theory is just Science propagating or opposing against Creationism in all forms. I believe in the Creation Scriptures too. The Atheist, Big Bang, Darwinian Everything came from nothing theory to me is purely fabricated to fit the Freemason agenda of swindling the publics perception of God the Creator. So Darwin himself believed the Biblical Genesis account worshiping Satan, Satanism dogma ignores the existence of God, implores man to become god. Darwinism is exactly the same, it negates God's existence and excels mans superiority to become your own god through science and people buy into this junk hook line and sinker the comparisons of the two dogma are identical.

Come on, Stan. Stooping to creating another account to back yourself up is a bit sad. How many is that now?

As for creationist viewpoints...

Like arguing with a pigeon.

Bloody hell its hard enough with one account debating the gruesome twosome nevermind two accounts. Seriously my software is a mountainous task to inscribe emails for a start. I don't need another account i can fight my own battles.

To (WTFIA) welcome, its great to have a fellow Christian on board, real debates can now take place.

They could, if you had the slightest interest in debate. But you don't.

Unless you are going to reply what the "ISS" that you can see with your own eyes, really is, if it isn't the ISS?

I'm restricting myself to one, simple, question, but you won't tell me what you think that is. You refuse to look up into the sky and see the ISS go by, as seeing it would probably overload your denial circuits and you can't take the risk.

But it will predictably pass overhead again...and again...and again. How irritating of it for you.

I really don't have an issue answering your questions its my questions that get greatly ignored, The simulated ISS is simply a [url=https://youtu.be/O0myKCdECU8?t=106Holographic Projection.[/url
[iMost people believe that the Space Station exists for 3 reasons
1. They can see what appears to be the space station through a telescope. Which is the Hologram.
2. They have seen what they are told in video interviews on Mainstream TV coming from the inside the Space Station (which are actually carefully choreographed Green Screen short events) The reason there isn't a live 24 hour webcam feed is because that would be nearly impossible for them to produce, because they are not in fact on the ISS.
3. Other countries have also participated in the project. Upon closer inspection, none of these arguments hold water.[/i

[iThe images people are seeing through a telescope and by naked eye are very blurry, they fade in from a rainbow, and the ISS doesn't move at a uniform pace across the sky. The ISS through a telescope looks much more like a holograph than a solid object actually flying in space. Holographic arrays are commonplace today, and complex systems such as project Blue beam designed by the military show that projecting images in the sky is not difficult now. The "Norway Spiral" and the "rapture of Jesus Christ in Africa" are two other examples of this type of technology used.[/i
[iIF THE SPACE STATION WAS REAL WE WOULD SEE THE ABUNDANCE OF ORBITING SATELLITES FLYING ABOUT, WHICH ADDS MORE FUEL TO THE FRAUD KILLING TWO BIRDS WITH ONE STONE..[/i

Do you ever read back what you copy and paste Stanley? You're insane!

Can you explain to me the following then please:

I can see the ISS from my location at a known, predictable magnitude (i.e. brightness). I say this is because the angle of the ISS to the Sun (which iluminates it and reflects the light that I can see) is known, predictable, and measurable. SO, for example, at my location the ISS might appear at magnitude -2.0

But another observer at a location further away, at the same time, might only see it at mag -1.0. And so on. The brightest appearance is along the centre of the reflected path. Observers away from the centre of the path naturally get a corresponding decrease in brightness.

1. How would a hologram project this much light?
2. How could a hologram appear bright to one observer, but faint to another observer?
3. Given that over time the ISS crosses most places, where are the millions of mega-projectors around the globe which project this moving "hologram" 24/7?
WHAT PROJECTS YOUR HOLOGRAM??


2. They have seen what they are told in video interviews on Mainstream TV coming from the inside the Space Station (which are actually carefully choreographed Green Screen short events) The reason there isn't a live 24 hour webcam feed is because that would be nearly impossible for them to produce, because they are not in fact on the ISS.
3. Other countries have also participated in the project. Upon closer inspection, none of these arguments hold water.[/i


No they are not. They vary greatly, depending on the degree of atmospheric distortion, and the equipment used.


But OF COURSE it does! It moves at an absolutely dead-set unifrom pace! This is why it is PREDICTABLE. To the exact SECOND! Any day it comes your way, you can know in advance the second it will appear and (if it will cross into the Earth's shadow) the exact second it will quickly disappear. It does you arguments no favours to claim something so ridiculous as "it doesn't move at a uniform pace". It couldn't BE more uniform.


From someone who has never seen it, that seems an odd claim

But, answer me this:

How does this here "holograph" r whatever you claim it is, actually BLOCK the light of the Sun, when it crosses its path, then? Come on Stan, we all know a holograph is a projection, and not an actual material object. So tell us, how is that trick done?




The reality of the ISS has nothing to do with the existence of other satellites. However, I have previously provided you with resources to discover the identity and exact (predictable) orbits (or locations, for geostationary satelites) and you can therefore on a clear night observe your fil of satellites, AND know which ones they are. How can that be possible, if they don't exist? Or does NASA also project moving holographs of thousands of satellites too?

And how exactly does Sky tv (and other satellite based systems) work? All the millions of Sky dishes are all pointed precisely so that they aim at the relevant satellite. If you point your dish there, you get a signal. If you move it, the signal disappears.

Given you think the Sky broadcasting satellites don't exist, how is this trick done?

I await the "truth" with great interest

=#FF0000Ferocious Aardvark
You've give me a lot of questions there quite a lot of information, however if you hadn't of ignored the Project Bluebeam links, most of your questions would be answered their. I will reply to your long winded plagiarized post in due course but i'm sat here in hysterics knowing that you've Copied And Pasted these questions from the YouTube page of the Video i posted,

Also why do you continue to keep posting CGI composites.

Sorry Stan, but my post was all my own work, and I certainly have no time to click on any more of your links, some time ago I had a look, but they are clearly all as or more deluded than you. They were all utter childish nonsense, and not worth a second of anyone's time.

But I do note you cannot advance an explanation as to why the ISS can be photographed crossing the face of the Sun, and so your last resort is to say therefore any image showing this must be a fake! That really is pathetic.

Anyway, whether you are for real or a troll, either way I think that is enough of your nonsense for me. Goodbye.

Firstly i'll give a detailed TV view as i'll address your other million questions in due course. Digital is an analogue radio signal, digitized compressed and so they're able to carry more information. You can still use your old analogue aerial to pick up digital signals as an example,, or you can be conned into paying for a satellite TV package and all they did is put a dish up which picks up digital same as an old aerial connection it's definitely not picking up signals from satellites they do not exist. Satellite dishes are just digital signal antennas in disguise that receive directly from land based signal relay and Deep Sea Cables with repeaters to boost the signal. The whole dish thing is a diversion.Thought this was obvious.

So if anyone who wants to take a bit of time to look up the launch to satellite ratio..seriously have a look. If you are doing it to grasp the rip off then great. If you are doing it to come back at me to argue that is perfectly plausible, then don't waste your time with me, seriously. I don't want my mind poisoned with clap trap and stuff that should be ridiculously evident to a person with the basic of basic common sense to see it for what it is. Bull.

I'm quite sure that there's plenty of people who have satellite dishes on their walls who have had them there for maybe 15/20 years and never had them aligned since they were installed. Bear in mind that satellites are supposed to have lives of 10/15 years and some lately being longer. That's due to covering their s. The point is, how come your dish has never had to be re-aligned when they change a so called satellite.

The sensible thinkers among us will have the answer easily. It's because satellites in space are a fantasy. They are a fantasy money maker so we have to pay for TV with the old excuse that it costs so much to send them up and maintain them. The silly thing is that once a satellite is in this 23,000 mile orbit. Yes, I said 23,000 mile orbit, just perfectly in Geo-synch with Earth, it cannot be repaired if anything goes wrong. Luckily they never ever need repairing until they fall out of orbit until the tefal headed fantasy merchants decide they fall. If people want to believe in all this crap then go right ahead, just don't try and convince me, because I'm done with the old "heads they win, tails I lose" bull. It's about time the coin has a heads and a tails and is tossed by fair means. Until that happens, we will always be slaves to the system.

For those who argue about GPS and such. It's all triangulation. It's a pretence of something special. Well just remember that when you're driving along with your Sat Nav stuck to your dashboard with no aerial or dish and yet you're getting told where you are. The voice that tells you to turn left or whatever is just following a pre-set map that is picked up as you drive to your destination between cells, just like your phone and even your radio. You notice your Sat Nav re-adjusts as you drive. As you hit another marker. Your radio re-tunes just the same. It's just a different set of frequencies and booster signals, etc.

The trouble with fantasy merchants who sell you bull is, they want more. they want to keep hitting you with more fantasy and sometimes they over do it. You see, one minute your satellite dish on your home is aligned perfectly to a Geo-synch satellite in 23,000 mile orbit and the next minute you've just bought a car satellite system that sits on your car roof and "Voiila" gives your kids the TV as you move about. And weirdly...no dish.

I understand that there will be many that are GENUINELY perplexed by some of this and will not accept it so readily. All I say to you people is, spend the time to sit back and think. Look up stuff. Do the jigsaw puzzle of the real picture and paint over the fantasy one that was set out for you. It can be slow and painstaking. I understand that. All I ask is, please learn to use your logic and your own common sense by not allowing the bullter fantasy merchants to bamboozle your mind and scramble it. Peer pressure and ridicule are two massive obstacles to overcome to even start to think. Do this and you have a chance to actually see through the blindfold's you/we were made to wear.

.As i said with GPS, TV the same, there is nothing that is allegedly done by 'communication satellites' that cannot be done with ground-based systems. Good luck and happy thinking.

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And ? Please elaborate. .

I think he's getting back on topic rather than it be for your benefit.