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| Those in charge of social services and the police should own up to their responsibilities and do the honourable thing.
This is a disgrace, how can this go on unchecked for so long on such a huge scale?
What does it say about society that we 'apparently' place more gravitas on PC than we do protecting the well being of vulnerable young children.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Those in charge of social services and the police should own up to their responsibilities and do the honourable thing.
This is a disgrace, how can this go on unchecked for so long on such a huge scale?
What does it say about society that we 'apparently' place more gravitas on PC than we do protecting the well being of vulnerable young children.'"
Hardly confined to Rotherham, sadly. Police / LAs seem to sweep child protection issues under the carpet everywhere.
The problem here seems the racially aggravated criminality of a sexually repressed element of the 'Pakistani' "community" and the failure of the political system to uphold the law of the land fairly and equally across different ethnic groups. Seems their is a fear among politicians of both major parties of ethnic minorities rioting / violence between different ethnic groups. Politicians have created this "multi-cultural" monster and must start treating all equally. If people don't like it and choose to riot, etc then the law should deal with them forcefully.
The sooner the country faces up to its new reality and gets everyone treated as one people the better. Failure to do so will only lead to further problems down the line. Much better to get a bit of civil unrest now (if that's what happens) by dispensing justice properly rather than building a much bleaker, more violent future for Britain.
As to the Rotherham case - castrate every last one of the perpetrators (retrospective change in law needed) and long jail sentences for all senior LA officers / police officers involved in sweeping under the carpet. Start making examples.
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| I did hear on the news last night about authorities not wanting to bring attention to the race of the perpetrators, or at least the pattern that shows that a large amount of wrongdoers are Asian, for fear of racist claims.
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| I'll wait until a little more information is available before making any pronouncements, some of us are old enough to remember the Cleveland Child Sex Scandal and just how that panned out.
A couple of points to remember: there were few/no Asians involved with Jimmy Savile, Stuart Hall et al or the Kincora Boys' School, or Elm View Guest House.
There appears to be a disconnect between the police investigating claims of abuse and certain members of society in general
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| Yet another example of Asian gangs targeting white underage girls, whilst the Authorities look the other way.
There is something rank within this community which produces both terrorists and peadophiles in such profusion. And it is long past time, for those within those communities, who are so quick to air their Politically Correct views, to acknowledge their failures to address the situation.
I would hope for a widespread condemnation from every Iman at Friday Prayers this week, and perhaps a contrite apology from Baroness Warsi wouldn't go amiss......but I'm not holding my breath.
It goes without saying, that anyone named in the Report, should not be allowed to resign, with the usual sanctimonius Mea Culpa, but sacked immediately.
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| I'd like to see how she has managed to work out that there were 1,400 victims.
And seeing that police and social services are blamed for their negligence, I wonder how all the victims are going to be compensated.
But at least racist people will be allowed to feel justified in their racism and the cops can get a kicking.
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| Mr Fish makes a valid point that this behaviour is not exclusive to certain groups in society. However for another poster to suggest anyone who raises this issue is a racist because it involves members of the Pakistani community is ridiculous.
Lord Jose are you suggesting we should only raise this if it involves white British individuals? Perhaps you are suggesting it didn't happen and this is smear campaign against this community?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Mr Fish makes a valid point that this behaviour is not exclusive to certain groups in society. However for another poster to suggest anyone who raises this issue is a racist because it involves members of the Pakistani community is ridiculous.
Lord Jose are you suggesting we should only raise this if it involves white British individuals? Perhaps you are suggesting it didn't happen and this is smear campaign against this community?'"
They were not my words, they were a quote from CH4 news.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Mr Fish makes a valid point that this behaviour is not exclusive to certain groups in society. However for another poster to suggest anyone who raises this issue is a racist because it involves members of the Pakistani community is ridiculous.
Lord Jose are you suggesting we should only raise this if it involves white British individuals? Perhaps you are suggesting it didn't happen and this is smear campaign against this community?'"
I said racist people will feel justified in their racism. Which they clearly will.
I think that the main reason that the police won't have acted on the suspicions is because direct accusations weren't made to the police. I'm reading the report right now and it's outlining what she thinks happened. On one case a group of social workers held a presentation where they named the men involved in operating child prostitution and the houses where it happened. But no mention is actually made of passing on this information to the police.
I'm not suggesting it didn't happen, as convictions have been secured and a child was found murdered. But I am suggesting that the numbers are massively inflated.
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| I may be naive here but I would've thought that any meeting where such allegations were raised would be minuted and those minutes should be in existence. If so, they or a precis should be made publicly available
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"I said racist people will feel justified in their racism. Which they clearly will.
I think that the main reason that the police won't have acted on the suspicions is because direct accusations weren't made to the police. I'm reading the report right now and it's outlining what she thinks happened. On one case a group of social workers held a presentation where they named the men involved in operating child prostitution and the houses where it happened. But no mention is actually made of passing on this information to the police.
I'm not suggesting it didn't happen, as convictions have been secured and a child was found murdered. But I am suggesting that the numbers are massively inflated.'"
I disagree - nobody could happy at what has happened regardless of their view on race. I would agree with you on the numbers they do seem extraordinarily high and nicely rounded!!.
The way the police have reacted would suggest they knew all along - the question is why did they not act!! Vice is a murky world and is to policing what insolvency is to accountancy.
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| Quote 4.3 The Inquiry was given a list of 988 children known to children’s social care, or the Police. 51 were current cases and 937 historic. We read 66 case files in total.
4.4 We took a randomised sample of 19 current and 19 historic cases. In 95% of the files sampled, there was clear evidence that the child had been a victim of sexual exploitation. Only two children (5%) were at risk of being exploited rather than victims. From the random samples, we concluded that it was very probable that a high proportion of the 988 children were victims.
4.5 A further 28 case files were read. 22 were historic cases sampled from lists of suspected victims in police operations, including Central, Czar and Chard. Three were current cases brought to our attention during the course of the Inquiry, and three were historic cases of children who had been highlighted by national media. All 28 children were victims of sexual exploitation.
4.6 To help reach an overall estimate of the problem, we used reports to the Local Safeguarding Children Board (formerly the ACPC) and Council committees. We examined minutes of the Sexual Exploitation Forum and minutes of independently chaired Strategy meetings where individual children were discussed. These included inter-agency discussions about hundreds of children who had suffered, or were at serious risk of sexual exploitation. We also had access to lists, and sometimes summary descriptions, of many hundreds of children who were supported by Risky Business, individually or in group sessions.
4.7 Taking all these sources together, the Inquiry concluded that at least 1400 children were sexually exploited between 1997 and 2013. This is likely to be a conservative estimate of the true scale of the problem. We are unable to assess the numbers of other children who may have been at risk of exploitation, or those who were exploited but not known to any agency. This includes some who were forced to witness other children being assaulted and abused.'"
So it seems that every single child considered as at risk by social services is automatically listed as a victim. And not just as a victim, but as a victim of a very small group of Pakistani taxi drivers.
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| Quote ="Lord God Jose Mourinho"So it seems that every single child considered as at risk by social services is automatically listed as a victim. And not just as a victim, but as a victim of a very small group of Pakistani taxi drivers.'"
As I said, I'll wait for more to come out before pronouncing on the subject. Somethging as potentially damaging as this should never be subject to simple extrapolation, as appears to be the case. I'm not bothered how long it takes or how much it costs but each and every single case (young person, let's not lose sight of that), should be subject to review.
It's heartening to hear the views of Muhbeen Hussain, Founder of Rotherham Muslim Youth Group:
[iIf we do not tackle this issue properly then the EDL and other far right groups will jump on the bandwagon and use this as a way to segregate communities. We need to stand together because the vast majority of the Pakistani and Muslim community is with all the rest in Rotherham and we do not accept any type of child grooming.
We are shocked that the police and social services didn’t make prosecutions and we are even more disgusted that the council wish to use the excuse of community cohesion. There is no excuse for criminal acts like these.[/i
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| Quote ="cod'ead"As I said, I'll wait for more to come out before pronouncing on the subject. Somethging as potentially damaging as this should never be subject to simple extrapolation, as appears to be the case. I'm not bothered how long it takes or how much it costs but each and every single case (young person, let's not lose sight of that), should be subject to review.
It's heartening to hear the views of Muhbeen Hussain, Founder of Rotherham Muslim Youth Group:
[iIf we do not tackle this issue properly then the EDL and other far right groups will jump on the bandwagon and use this as a way to segregate communities. We need to stand together because the vast majority of the Pakistani and Muslim community is with all the rest in Rotherham and we do not accept any type of child grooming.
We are shocked that the police and social services didn’t make prosecutions and we are even more disgusted that the council wish to use the excuse of community cohesion. There is no excuse for criminal acts like these.[/i'"
It does beg the question as to why the senior Pakistanis in the area didn't crack down on these individuals - there does seem to be a culture of self governance in some areas within this community.
I still don't understand why any mature male would be interested in such young girls? Is this just about Sadism/Domination?
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"It does beg the question as to why the senior Pakistanis in the area didn't crack down on these individuals - there does seem to be a culture of self governance in some areas within this community. '"
How old are you? How many of the drug dealers in your area have you cracked down on personally of late?
How do you suggest you - or senior Pakistanis - might justify their vigilantism in police interview?
Why should senior Pakistanis have some right to be judge jury and executioner and what about the rights of those they cracked down upon, who might deny being guilty of anything, or do you believe senior Pakistanis are oracles that can divine the truth without the need for due process of law?
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Like all perversions and illegal proclivities, it's exceedingly well-known. But "why"? Surely it is enough to understand that they are sexual perverts, as I'd assumed everyone does? any "why" is more for anyone unfortunate enough to have the job of trying to rehabilitate the perverts, but maybe that's just their personal taste, and because they can?
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"How old are you? How many of the drug dealers in your area have you cracked down on personally of late?
How do you suggest you - or senior Pakistanis - might justify their vigilantism in police interview?
Why should senior Pakistanis have some right to be judge jury and executioner and what about the rights of those they cracked down upon, who might deny being guilty of anything, or do you believe senior Pakistanis are oracles that can divine the truth without the need for due process of law?
Like all perversions and illegal proclivities, it's exceedingly well-known. But "why"? Surely it is enough to understand that they are sexual perverts, as I'd assumed everyone does? any "why" is more for anyone unfortunate enough to have the job of trying to rehabilitate the perverts, but maybe that's just their personal taste, and because they can?'"
This is not about vigilantism this is about using influence to address an issue. The Pakistani community seems to be able to exert influence/control in some areas i.e. pre-arranged marriage and are prepared to take the law into their own hands in the most brutal way if they are disobeyed. If it were their daughters being abused I feel sure effective measures would be taken to stop this behavioural trait without the need for external intervention.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"If it were their daughters being abused I feel sure effective measures would be taken to stop this behavioural trait without the need for external intervention.'"
According to Yasmin Alibhai Brown, [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/rotherham-child-abuse-scandal-apologists-misogyny-and-double-standards-9692497.htmlperhaps not[/url
[iI ask them to think what they would feel if gangs of white men took out their girls, gave them presents, took them places, and then seduced, beat and passed them around. The men might say they were rescuing the girls from oppression, showing them a good time, saving them from a life of forced marriage and all that.
What then, if white Britons tacitly supported and excused the criminals? Well, comes the answer, that's not the same thing. But it is, it is. I tell them about at least three young Asian girls who have thus been entrapped and exploited. “That is their fault. They have become English, so of course these things happen to them.” What to do in the face of such attitudes?[/i
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| Is this the vibrant multi-cultural Britain we keep getting told is so wonderful?
Rotherham will merely be the tip of the iceberg. I expect there will be a few more councils and police forces sweating it right now.
Political correctness has gone way too far. It's about time criminal offences were dealt with equally, whatever the perpetrators race or religion. Playing the race card should no longer be an option.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"Is this the vibrant multi-cultural Britain we keep getting told is so wonderful? '"
A flawed concept which has allowed people to come here and set up their own little enclaves, sticking 2 fingers up at mainstream society.
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| Quote ="The Video Ref"A flawed concept which has allowed people to come here and set up their own little enclaves, sticking 2 fingers up at mainstream society.'"
Only to xenophobes and closet racists
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Only to xenophobes and closet racists'"
All very easy to shout from your leafy middle-class suburb. A few weeks living in somewhere like Hounslow and I bet you would be changing your tune.
There are, quite clearly, people who have come to this country who have zero interest whatsoever in contributing to our society or conforming to our way of life. What is worse is that a number of these people are actively out to cause us harm.
Multiculturalism has done nothing but created enclaves of mono-cuturalism.
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| Quote ="The Video Ref"All very easy to shout from your leafy middle-class suburb. A few weeks living in somewhere like Hounslow and I bet you would be changing your tune.'"
Wincanton a "leafy middle-class suburb"? Don't make me fooking laugh. It's a town of approximately 7000 inhabitants, many of whom are either Polish and Portuguese, with a healthy smattering of Chinese and Indian, Pakistani & Sri Lankan. We all seem to get along quite well, the blokes get their hair cut at the Portuguese barber, couples bypass ther cream tea for a decent cup of coffee and some Portuguese pastries. Some folks even go to the Polish shop to buy "something different". A Chinese guy runs the chippy, we have two Chinese takeaways and one restaurant and two Asian restaurants. Sorry, I almost forgot the Turkish kebabby. Not too shabby a mix for the size of town.
Quote ="The Video Ref"There are, quite clearly, people who have come to this country who have zero interest whatsoever in contributing to our society or conforming to our way of life. What is worse is that a number of these people are actively out to cause us harm. '"
There are far more born & bred here, who would claim English parentage and have little to no inclination to ever assimilate themselves into society. So don't try that one
Quote ="The Video Ref"Multiculturalism has done nothing but created enclaves of mono-cuturalism.'"
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What then, if white Britons tacitly supported and excused the criminals? Well, comes the answer, that's not the same thing. But it is, it is. I tell them about at least three young Asian girls who have thus been entrapped and exploited. “That is their fault. They have become English, so of course these things happen to them.” What to do in the face of such attitudes?[/i'"
I am talking about Pakistani men abusing Pakistani girls - not much chance of that happening - the community would soon sort that out without the need for police intervention
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Only to xenophobes and closet racists'"
Isn't that the point in all this though? The fear of being outed as a racist despite the fact criminal offences had been committed. Rotherham council were scared to act due to the majority of men involved being of Pakistani origin. What's more important, keeping vulnerable children safe or keeping the PC brigade happy? This is a story that won't go away and will probably uncover more goings on across the country, just like the Savile revelations did. No single person is above the law.
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| What I do find puzzling in all of this is: South Yorkshire Police couldn't be bothered to properly investigate these allegations over the years but sent 20 coppers down to Berkshire for a ride in a helicopter over Cliff Richard's flat
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