|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14845 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2021 | Jul 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| When will Labour show some backbone, admit their mistake and move on? I fear it'll now only be after they get trounced in the next General Election which would be disastrous for the majority of Britons.
The clown must go asap.
I see that an opinion showed 2% of the electorate think he is a natural leader. I can only suppose thost few souls misunderstood the question or else they thought it referred to the talking horse off the telly.
The Labour party's poll lead shrinks by the day and with a pre-election improvement in the economy being almost inevitable surely even at this stage Labour would have nothing to lose by trying A N Other?
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 17898 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Mar 2020 | Aug 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Much as he was/is Blair-lite, they picked the wrong brother. Dave would have had the posh Dave for breakfast.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 489 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Aug 2010 | 14 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2019 | May 2018 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Dally"When will Labour show some backbone, admit their mistake and move on? I fear it'll now only be after they get trounced in the next General Election which would be disastrous for the majority of Britons.
The clown must go asap.
I see that an opinion showed 2% of the electorate think he is a natural leader. I can only suppose thost few souls misunderstood the question or else they thought it referred to the talking horse off the telly.
The Labour party's poll lead shrinks by the day and with a pre-election improvement in the economy being almost inevitable surely even at this stage Labour would have nothing to lose by trying A N Other?'"
As much as I think you're baiting for a pro-Labour/anti-Conservative response, I think you have actually raised a very valid point.
My concern is that he is successfully deconstructing the Labour party which is one of only two real election contenders. UK politics is weak enough with only two contenders let alone should it be reduced to one. I think it will result in more hung parliaments and further indecision.
He is not a natural leader and the thought of him being prime minister is laughable. I don't think Cameron is a particularly good leader but Miliband would be a joke.
The Labour party need to change now ready for the next election otherwise whether the economy has improved or not it could be embarrassing. More to the point though, we will end up with a weak opposition government.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 10852 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2006 | 18 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2018 | Aug 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Dally"When will Labour show some backbone, admit their mistake and move on? I fear it'll now only be after they get trounced in the next General Election which would be disastrous for the majority of Britons.
The clown must go asap.
I see that an opinion showed 2% of the electorate think he is a natural leader. I can only suppose thost few souls misunderstood the question or else they thought it referred to the talking horse off the telly.
The Labour party's poll lead shrinks by the day and with a pre-election improvement in the economy being almost inevitable surely even at this stage Labour would have nothing to lose by trying A N Other?'"
Ok, who's hacked Dally's account?
I agree totally that Labour seem extremely unlikely to win the next election with Ed in charge. The government has shown itself to be almost totally comprised of unpleasant houses, and yet Ed struggles to make even the tiniest bit of political capital out of the situation. Another five years of Tory rule is too terrible to contemplate, but it seems inevitable if Labour don't make a change pretty soon.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 3605 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Jul 2012 | 13 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
May 2016 | May 2016 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Rock God X"
I agree totally that Labour seem extremely unlikely to win the next election with Ed in charge. The government has shown itself to be almost totally comprised of unpleasant houses, and yet Ed struggles to make even the tiniest bit of political capital out of the situation. Another five years of Tory rule is too terrible to contemplate, but it seems inevitable if Labour don't make a change pretty soon.'"
The really surprising thing is that this set of unpleasant houses have found a resonance throughout the country with their politics of attrition, lies and demonising those least likely to vote for them anyway.
In 20 years time academics will present case studies to aspiring political and psychology students with the title of "How the hell did they turn 51% of the country into houses ?"
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Coach | 16273 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Oct 2004 | 20 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2024 | Dec 2024 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Dally would you be up for a friendly (or for charity) bet on the size of the Conservative majority at the next election.
How about we say 100 and I pay (or donate to a charity of your choice) £10 for every seat over that and you pay me £10 for every seat under that?
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 1437 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Apr 2017 | Mar 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Speaking personally it does not matter who Labour have as leader because I'll never vote for them again. I just hope most of the population have a similar view and reject all the main three political parties.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14522 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2014 | Jan 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| On the one hand, this parliamentary term is different in that it is a fixed five years, this allows Milliband to keep his powder dry and ramp it up at the right time, he doesn't have to suddenly leap into action at a previously unknown date.
As the greatest area of mistrust of Labour is the economy, they won't be making any promises until they have a fair idea what the state of the economy will be in 2015.
On the other hand, I keep seeing stuff happening, especially around the economy, on which Labour should be speaking out but don't, which is most frustrating.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14845 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2021 | Jul 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="sally cinnamon"Dally would you be up for a friendly (or for charity) bet on the size of the Conservative majority at the next election.
How about we say 100 and I pay (or donate to a charity of your choice) £10 for every seat over that and you pay me £10 for every seat under that?'"
How about doing on percentage of total votes cast, ie democratically?
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 1978 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2006 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2023 | Dec 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| So Ed announced after the Falkirk 'row' that there would be big changes to Labour's links to trade unions. Now a report has cleared them of any wrongdoing but this report is not being published (?). Oops - shambles.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14845 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Oct 2021 | Jul 2021 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Ajw71"So Ed announced after the Falkirk 'row' that there would be big changes to Labour's links to trade unions. Now a report has cleared them of any wrongdoing but this report is not being published (?). Oops - shambles.'"
But the report isn't being published, meaning the Tories are saying it's a stitch up. How could he cock up such a simple matter in so many ways? To think people will vote Labour at a GE with someone so ineffective in charge is laughable.
|
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 9721 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Dec 2001 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Aug 2020 | Apr 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Dally"But the report isn't being published, meaning the Tories are saying it's a stitch up. How could he cock up such a simple matter in so many ways? To think people will vote Labour at a GE with someone so ineffective in charge is laughable.'"
People NEARLY voted Cameron in and look what happens.
He makes a dead man look effective.
People who work for others and vote Tory are not logical thinkers IMO. You work hard to make other rich at YOUR expense and you think that's good, then blame people who want to help level the playing field and support you.
I notice how the Unions that have closed shops, (Equity, BMA, Law Society) are never condemned by Tories, nor are the major unions such as the Freight Transport Association, National Farmer Union!!!, CBI, Institute of Directors etc. are never criticised by Tories or people who post anti union dogma caused by lack of joined up coherent logical thinking ability.
Add this to the hypocrisy of Tories and right wing apologists who spout "work hard to improve yourself" but when you do they use ever means possible to prevent you "moving into our world". See how Tory governments have used the police as their civilian "army" to quell "riots" in this country but support right wing groups in other countries as "freedom fighters"
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Player Coach | 1978 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2006 | 19 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Dec 2023 | Dec 2019 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Dally"
The Labour party's poll lead shrinks by the day '"
All tied up now...
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14522 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2014 | Jan 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Ajw71"All tied up now...
'"
Yup, Labour and Conservative are neck and neck at the moment.
Which is slightly bad news for the Tories, as some of their seats are densely Tory with high majorities, which wastes support.
Still, they had the chance to go for Proportional Representation and spurned it.
If they'd helped the Cleggster with that, he might (?) have supported their boundary changes.
Oh well.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 203 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2013 | 11 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2013 | Sep 2013 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="El Barbudo"On the one hand, this parliamentary term is different in that it is a fixed five years, this allows Milliband to keep his powder dry and ramp it up at the right time, he doesn't have to suddenly leap into action at a previously unknown date.
As the greatest area of mistrust of Labour is the economy, they won't be making any promises until they have a fair idea what the state of the economy will be in 2015.
On the other hand, I keep seeing stuff happening, especially around the economy, on which Labour should be speaking out but don't, which is most frustrating.'"
Miliband has no powder to keep dry. If Labour has no plan, how is they managed to produce a plan they have been saying is the right way since they got trounced in 2010?
All that Labour has done is snipe from the sidelines & produce policy sounbytes that collapse under the slightest scrutiny.
They never miss an opportunity to speak out, but quickly shut up when they have to admit they won't repeal anything that has been done..
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 203 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2013 | 11 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2013 | Sep 2013 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Leaguefan"People NEARLY voted Cameron in and look what happens.
He makes a dead man look effective.
People who work for others and vote Tory are not logical thinkers IMO. You work hard to make other rich at YOUR expense and you think that's good, then blame people who want to help level the playing field and support you.
I notice how the Unions that have closed shops, (Equity, BMA, Law Society) are never condemned by Tories, nor are the major unions such as the Freight Transport Association, National Farmer Union!!!, CBI, Institute of Directors etc. are never criticised by Tories or people who post anti union dogma caused by lack of joined up coherent logical thinking ability.
Add this to the hypocrisy of Tories and right wing apologists who spout "work hard to improve yourself" but when you do they use ever means possible to prevent you "moving into our world". See how Tory governments have used the police as their civilian "army" to quell "riots" in this country but support right wing groups in other countries as "freedom fighters"'"
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 203 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2013 | 11 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2013 | Sep 2013 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="El Barbudo"Yup, Labour and Conservative are neck and neck at the moment.
Which is slightly bad news for the Tories, as some of their seats are densely Tory with high majorities, which wastes support.
Still, they had the chance to go for Proportional Representation and spurned it.
If they'd helped the Cleggster with that, he might (?) have supported their boundary changes.
Oh well.'"
Clegg doesn't want PR. He got the AV vote he wanted and got mullered.
Many Labour seats are high majority & the marginals are Lib Dem who are dead in the water.
With all the allegedly terrible policies the Tories are responsible for, any opposition party should be streets ahead.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 26578 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2017 | Apr 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="BiffasBoys"They never miss an opportunity to speak out, but quickly shut up when they have to admit they won't repeal anything that has been done..'"
Like the bedroom tax you mean?
Quote ="BiffasBoys"Clegg doesn't want PR. He got the AV vote he wanted and got mullered.'"
The AV vote was a fudge cobbled together to keep the Lib Dems happy, it was designed to be a stepping point along the way to full PR, it was rightly rejected by the electorate as being said fudge.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14522 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2014 | Jan 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="BiffasBoys"Miliband has no powder to keep dry...'"
You know this ... erm, how?
What with absence of evidence not being the same as evidence of absence ...
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 203 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2013 | 11 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2013 | Sep 2013 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="El Barbudo"You know this ... erm, how?
What with absence of evidence not being the same as evidence of absence ...'"
He has no policies. The evidence of this is the absence of any policies. HTH
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Star | 203 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Sep 2013 | 11 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Sep 2013 | Sep 2013 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="Big Graeme"Like the bedroom tax you mean?
The AV vote was a fudge cobbled together to keep the Lib Dems happy, it was designed to be a stepping point along the way to full PR, it was rightly rejected by the electorate as being said fudge.'"
They won't change anything.
It wasn't a fudge. Didn't Gordy offer the same to try & get the Lib Dems to go into coalition?
It was rejected because everyone watched the Auf Wiedersehen Pet clip.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 26578 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Mar 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jul 2017 | Apr 2017 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="BiffasBoys"They won't change anything.'"
So you've not seen any news for the last few days them?
Quote ="BiffasBoys"It wasn't a fudge. Didn't Gordy offer the same to try & get the Lib Dems to go into coalition?
It was rejected because everyone watched the Auf Wiedersehen Pet clip.'"
If course it was a fudge, it was a halfway house to full PR with all the bad bits and very few of the advantages, it was put together by a mainly Tory government and was designed to keep LD activists quiet and not get the electorate interested at all.
Same, Davey boy could do with a bit of PR at the moment with those electoral boundary knocked back.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14522 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2014 | Jan 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="BiffasBoys"He has no policies. The evidence of this is the absence of any policies. HTH'"
Care to show me the evidence of this absence?
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
Club Owner | 8627 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Nov 2003 | 21 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Feb 2020 | Feb 2020 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="BiffasBoys"He has no policies. The evidence of this is the absence of any policies. HTH'"
He has a policy to get the energy companies to increase their prices before the next election, and then reduce investment in infrastructure after the election. (although that lightbulb might not be much use in 2016 when the power goes off).
he can also pretty much guarantee that the pre-election Tory party coffers are swelled by donations from the energy market now.
|
|
|
Rank | Posts | Team |
International Chairman | 14522 | No Team Selected |
Joined | Service | Reputation |
Feb 2002 | 23 years | |
Online | Last Post | Last Page |
Jan 2014 | Jan 2014 | LINK |
Milestone Posts |
|
Milestone Years |
|
Location |
|
Signature |
TO BE FIXED |
|
| Quote ="EHW"He has a policy to get the energy companies to increase their prices before the next election, and then reduce investment in infrastructure after the election.
(although that lightbulb might not be much use in 2016 when the power goes off).
he can also pretty much guarantee that the pre-election Tory party coffers are swelled by donations from the energy market now.'"
I'm guessing that's your prediction of the result arising from his plan to freeze prices after the election?
i.e. That the energy companies will get their increases in early?
|
|
|
|
|