Believes he is sane and wants out of Ashworth to go to a prison in Scotland where he can starve himself to death.

Surely he won't make it out of Ashworth, right?

Regardless of whichever human on the planet is under discussion, does anyone else see the diagnostic unreliability of "HE believes he is sane"?

It's an interesting position for him to take.

Brady wants to starve himself to death. Arguably not the rational approach of any sane human being. If he attempts to do so in a mainstream prison I'm pretty sure they are duty bound to intervene, so he'll end up back in hospital again.

Wherever he goes, he's going to be on constant suicide watch so it's going to be incredibly difficult for him to find any other way of topping himself.

I can't imagine the authorities will allow him to transfer to another prison just to starve himself.

I'm sure Brady believes many things about himself. I'm equally sure that 99% of the world's population would disagree with him on most of them.

As he has had NO mental health treatment of any kind for 11 years then it is quite probable that he does not meet the criteria or detention on grounds of mental health as the key criteria is that they have a mental health problem which is TREATABLE.
Although he has a personality disorder it is untreatable

If it is treatable why are they not treating him. Sounds like he has agood medical and legal case.

Keep him in hospital on a feeding tube, he might suffer until he is 100.

Just kill the , put him on a drip feed of bleach

So you argue that someone can be madder than Madam McMad, but unless their madness is treatable, they can't be sectioned, but must be left alone to go wherever their madness takes them?

Anyway, like any other sectioned person, he is exercising his right to have a MH Trib rule on it. Personally, I hope he wins, I don't see any objection to letting him top himself, he is that rare thing, a piece of irredeemable subhuman scum, with zero mitigating qualities, and ending his own life would be perhaps the first decent thing he's done, although he'd be doing it for no-one but his egotistical self.

''Oh, find me....find me, nothing more
We are on a sullen misty moor
We may be dead and we may be gone
But we will be, we will be, we will be, right by your side
Until the day you die
This is no easy ride
We will haunt you when you laugh
Yes, you could say we're a team
You might sleep
You might sleep
You might sleep
But you will never dream!
Oh, you might sleep
But you will never dream!
You might sleep
But you will never dream!''

[size=150Yes.[/size it is called the LAW


The Mental Health Act provides that if a person has no mental disorder that requires treatment in hospital, and they fulfil the relevant legal criteria for discharge, then they should be returned to prison – provided the secretary of state for justice agrees.

Current research and policy from the Ministry of Justice, the Department of Health, and the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice) on the detention of serious offenders suffering from severe personality disorders indicate that they should be detained in prison rather than in hospital.

He is diagnosed with a personality disorder.

Quote ="Andy Gilder"It's an interesting position for him to take. Brady wants to starve himself to death. Arguably not the rational approach of any sane human being. If he attempts to do so in a mainstream prison I'm pretty sure they are duty bound to intervene, so he'll end up back in hospital again. .'" many people wish to die and often it is a very rationale, reasonable and sane decision to come to. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22506309

Quote ="Andy Gilder"It's an interesting position for him to take. Brady wants to starve himself to death. Arguably not the rational approach of any sane human being. If he attempts to do so in a mainstream prison I'm pretty sure they are duty bound to intervene, so he'll end up back in hospital again. .'" many people wish to die and often it is a very rationale, reasonable and sane decision to come to. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-22506309

funny how people who often have a liberal approach to issues seem to find that Brady is somehow exempt!

I see what you did there. You used big letters. Pretty impressive. the only trouble is, I asked you a question about whether a mad person can or can not be sectioned in the first place if they cannot be treated. Maybe you could actually answer that and not some other replacement question of your own.


There are the holes in your bucket. Two of them, in fact. Just looking at what you put, you are yourself saying that therefore they should or might NOT be returned to prison if either:
(a) they DON'T fulfil the "relevant criteria for discharge; or
(b) the secretary of state for justice does NOT agree.


I haven't seen his diagnosis, (have you?) but I'll be interested to see on what grounds his application is opposed, if it is (and if they are reported). But I really don't care where Brady is detained, just that he IS detained, somewhere, which will inevitably remain the case.

If Doc Daneeka is on the panel, then he has no chance of being released.

Brady put himself in Catch 22