Just as in the US we are seeing voluntary segregation: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... yside.html which bears out my personal observation of the changing nature of London and other places with significant non-white elements to the population. Is the country heading for a bleak, Balkan style future? What can be done to address this? Should anything be done? Will Enoch Powell be shown by history as correct?

Just as in the US we are seeing voluntary segregation: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... yside.html which bears out my personal observation of the changing nature of London and other places with significant non-white elements to the population. Is the country heading for a bleak, Balkan style future? What can be done to address this? Should anything be done? Will Enoch Powell be shown by history as correct?

So let me summarise,

As generation upon generation gather more wealth they move out of the city centre to the suburbs where they percieve a better way of life ?

Yes, we knew that.

I knwo a bit about the city I live in but its the same story in every city thats been around for at least 200 years - I can take you to areas of this city that now seem to contain large populations of different coloured immigrants but which, 150 years ago, belonged to wealthy businessmen and the entrepreneurs who owned the city centre mills, they having moved out of the city centre to what they saw as the suburbes and their places being taken by different coloured immigrants who then worked in their mills.

Its the same process, its still happening, I'll give you two examples - Chapeltown in Leeds and Manningham in Bradford were once wealthy suburbs and are still full of huge merchants houses, all thats happened is a through-flux of the population as we all push further and further out.

No. The article was talking about people moving out of the outer suburbs.

When the opening line says...

[iBritain is 'self-segregating' as white families flee urban areas for the countryside and outer suburbs[/i.

...then I see that as being a continuation of the move of the wealthy to the edges of the cities in which they work, just as they always have done - Chapeltown and Manningham used to be in the countryside you know.

Enoch Powell thought there would be rivers foaming with blood as a consequence of mass immigration and that in 15 to 20 years (said in the 1960s) the white man would be under the whip hand of the black man.

I suspect Enoch Powell will not be right, what he should have forecast was "mass immigration will cause a lot of people to be casually racist and the Daily Mail to be up in arms".

However you do find a certain section of society always likes to forecast that Enoch Powell will be proved right, just like you can still go to meetings of Socialist Workers party and the likes where they forecast that whatever latest political crisis is proof that Karl Marx was right and the workers will rise up to overthrow their capitalist oppressors.

"under the whip hand" was rather an unfortunate remark to make with regard to racism and imperialism wasn't it ?

You're cotton-picking correct.

The Sunday Times included a piece on this too - 'white flight' is the name given to the phenomenon. The data was taken from the latest census but I remember watching a Channel 4 documentary a couple of years ago on the same phenomenon which has occurred in either Burnley or Blackburn (I always get those two towns mixed up). In whichever town it was, there has developed quite a clear demarkation line between (in the Lancashire town's case) the Asian community and the white British community, whereas in the London boroughs non-white British people have moved out of the centre either into neighbouring towns or the edges of the borough concerned. In London it would appear that the most notable reduction in white British people is in the borough of Redbridge where the number of white British people fell by 40,844 within a decade, which I think by anyone's standard is quite a fall.

Apparently the Americans label this phenomenon 'sundown segregation': people mix in shops, on public transport and in the workplace but if you followed people home you would see they are returning to areas which are heavily segregated.

I remember going to watch Saints play the Broncos in London at the end of 2011 and being surprised at how marked the changes were as we drove through different boroughs.

I think it's a shame myself. I'm not sure anyone benefits by this development.

I think the pertinent question that no one wants to confront is why do people want to and where they can choose to segregate?

And in other news, some areas of London are seeing an increase in young, middle-class people moving [iin[/i, in order to enjoy the trendy lifestyle and the close proximity to all that the capital offers by way of entertainment etc.

And this is substantially changing areas that were once poor and/or working class into one where, not least, the cost of housing has risen dramatically.

Thats all well and good but how is it going to sell newspapers to people who want to feel down-trodden in "their own" country ?

Except that wasn't the subject of the article, either the one in the link or the one I read in the Sunday Times today. I would imagine both have been written simply because of the census results filtering through, which have shown a trend in certain areas of the country.

Are you not bothered that this trend is occurring in certain areas?

They should just revert to the old adage: "If you want a n[ii[/igger for a neighbour, vote Labour"

Are you and if so why?

That's completely unnecessary.

Yes I am bothered and I am bothered because I don't like the idea of my country becoming fractured.

YOUR country?

Are you The Queen or summat?

This country is no more yours than it is mine or any other citizen living here

There is more to worry about tearing this country apart than a strange article in the Daily Mail worrying about something that has happened for hundreds of years.

No, we've all worked out the blindingly obvious reasons why people might prefer to live amongst people with whom they feel they have more in common.

Yes, it is my country. I was born and raised here. That makes it my country. If you were born and raised here, it is your country too.


No, but that is a very childish statement.

First of all I said fracturing and secondly I read about the same issue in the Sunday Times today, as I mentioned in my first post on this thread.

No, it makes it the country you were born and raised in and currently live in (presumably). It is no more your country than any other citizen, whether they were born and raised her or simply came and decided to stay.

You are aware that your xenophobia is showing?

In the Godless world of most on here they love the term "evolution." So, why then have races evolved with quite different attributes which are linked to the geographical areas to which they "belong"? Animals are generally territorial and need to understand their territory to survive. Humans are the same and that explains in large part the amount of time they spend at war. So, I think he has a valid point about when he refers to "my country." That's also why so many people are concerned and dismayed about mass immigration - often the number one issue when they speak to their MP - because alot of people do not feel it is "their" country anymore. I think you'll also find the main unspoken reason why white folk have been moving out of cities is to try to turn back the clock and live with folk like them in places that seem still to be "their" own country.

Of course, in the PC world all that would be heresy.

It was an article in a publication that frequently lies, that profits from the sexualisation of underage girls, and that has an editorial policy of shocking its readers on a daily basis.

And you want me to take it seriously when it publishes another sensationalist piece of scaremongering with no context whatsoever? And you think that my stating something directly contradicts (with inconvenient facts) some of what has been spouted here is of no relevance?

And the [iSunday Times[/i is a Murdoch paper that is also prepared to publish lies when the truth of a story doesn't match its agenda. And I do have the proof of that, and the previous assertion re the [iMail[/i.

The 'trend' is not new and it is not limited to ethnicity/religion. Demographics change over time. This is a fact.

Last week the papers said there were going to be 10 million Bulgarian and Romanians coming over to the UK to claim benefits. I would have thought they would be white (even if they are a bit swarthy and dark featured, some of them). So the Daily Mail readers can relax that their country isn't being turned black.