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| Huddersfield RLFC [Giants are putting together a Rugby League Heritage Project based on the club and the town. It will come to fruition in 2014 to celebrate:
1. 150 since the club's formation;
2. 100 years since the Team Of All Talents;
3. 100 years since Albert Rosenfeld's 80 tries in 1 season - still a world record rugby try-scoring feat;
4. 100 years since the start of WW1 [note, we are 'marking' the start of WW1, not celebrating it.
We have a website - [url=http://www.HuddersfielRLHeritage.co.ukwww.HuddersfielRLHeritage.co.uk[/url.
If anyone has [ianything[/i they would like to contribute [or know of anyone who might, [iplease[/i contact me.
Hope you enjoy some of the online items. My favourite is the 1881-2 [url=http://www.huddersfieldrlheritage.co.uk/Documents/Fixture%20Lists/1881-2%20Fixture%20List.pdfFixture Card[/url, it is 6" x 2.25" fully open. Closely followed by the [url=http://www.huddersfieldrlheritage.co.uk/Documents/Fixture%20Lists/1895%20Fixture%20List.pdf1895 booklet[/url.
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| Why would anybody ' Celebrate ' WW1?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Why would anybody ' Celebrate ' WW1?'"
beats me !
maybe Ivor C&G Scarf is a complete moron ?
(or he/she hasn't visited the poppyfields...)
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| I'm pretty sure he'll have meant 'mark', rather than 'celebrate' in the context of WWI.
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| Quote ="Mild Rover"I'm pretty sure he'll have meant 'mark', rather than 'celebrate' in the context of WWI.'"
Even so, why? , yes the ending as in remembrance day, but not the start
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| Quote ="Starbug"Why would anybody ' Celebrate ' WW1?'"
Mark, sorry to offend you.
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| Quote ="sanjunien"beats me !
maybe Ivor C&G Scarf is a complete moron ?
(or he/she hasn't visited the poppyfields...)'"
Perhaps you're a complete something or other. Moron.
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| Quote ="Ivor C&G Scarf"Mark, sorry to offend you.'"
Easily done, not offended, just baffled
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| I don't know, you try and share something with the wider RL 'family' which might be of interest and 'people' turn politically correct.
I'm sure the vast majority knew what I meant.
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| Quote ="Ivor C&G Scarf"I don't know, you try and share something with the wider RL 'family' which might be of interest and 'people' turn politically correct.
I'm sure the vast majority knew what I meant.'"
It just seemed a bit ' random ' lumped in with the RL stuff , no great problem
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| The way I see it WW1 was the most destructive war in history. It's results directly led to the second world war. It'd be wrong not to commemorate it. I think we all agree it's not to be celebrated - millions of lives thrown down the toilet for the want of some moral leadership.
In any case I wish Huddersfield the best of luck in their preparations. Should be a very interesting time. 80 tries in one season. I'm afraid I don't know the circumstances all that well but I can't imagine a scenario where that's not extraordinary.
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| Quote ="Ivor C&G Scarf"Perhaps you're a complete something or other. Moron.'"
why's that then mate ?
you don't 'celebrate' the beginning of a war that killed 20 million (at least) people but you do celebrate the memory of the fallen and the end of such a tragic and unnecessary waste of human life
or is that just me being completely moronic , or something ?
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| Quote ="sanjunien"why's that then mate ?
you don't 'celebrate' the beginning of a war that killed 20 million (at least) people but you do celebrate the memory of the fallen and the end of such a tragic and unnecessary waste of human life
or is that just me being completely moronic , or something ?'"
As ever, you're incapable of showing any semblance of pragmatism, humour or common sense. Moron.
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| Quote ="just_browny"As ever, you're incapable of showing any semblance of pragmatism, humour or common sense. Moron.'"
dear oh dear Browny, you do get wound up easily nowadays
what's pragmatism got to do with it ? the idea is completely ridiculous, even you must agree with that and as for the idea being humorous...what's humourous about celebrating the beginning of a war ? unless of course point no.4 is included as a kind of joke ?
as for common sense, must be my frogginess coming out
yours moronically
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| Ivor, you could just substitute "commemorate" for "celebrate" and then you'd have none of the negative reactions to endure. I'm sure that 2014 will see plenty of commemorations of the start of WW1.
Like your two exhibits. Good luck with the project.
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| Jesus there are some right bells on here.
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| Quote ="BroncOnIon"Ivor, you could just substitute "commemorate" for "celebrate" and then you'd have none of the negative reactions to endure. I'm sure that 2014 will see plenty of commemorations of the start of WW1.
Like your two exhibits. Good luck with the project.'"
Gordon Bennett, you don't usually commemorate, celebrate, mark or do anything else to indicate the START of a war just show your due respect to the fallen to show that the war was fought ie.VE Day, VJ Day & 11th November etc etc
it's not a bad choice of words just a downright stupid idea - if this event is to remembered then maybe the 28th June each year should be the day the 'celebrations' kick-off (Sarajevo 1914 etc) ?
as for the first three points - great ideas and good luck with the venture
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| Quote ="sanjunien"Gordon Bennett, you don't usually commemorate, celebrate, mark or do anything else to indicate the START of a war just show your due respect to the fallen to show that the war was fought ie.VE Day, VJ Day & 11th November etc etc
it's not a bad choice of words just a downright stupid idea - if this event is to remembered then maybe the 28th June each year should be the day the 'celebrations' kick-off (Sarajevo 1914 etc) ?
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Out of curiosity, why is one not allowed to 'commemorate' or 'mark' the beginning of a war? How is it acceptable that you and you alone decide what others can or cannot commemorate? Does it not show due respect to those brave souls who decided to stand up & fight for their country and/or to help another ally in their time of need (albeit sometimes fruitlessly and under terrible command)? Would you deny those that feel respect is due to their forebears and all those unknown for showing the guts to do what they felt was right (again even if that was under many misconceptions and misrepresentation)?
Maybe it might help remind the kids of today how terrible war/death is not just in the lives lost but the social and intrinsic infrastructure costs for decades afterwards so they are able to grasp the magnitude of it and see the oft futility of war.
So whilst one can respect a personal viewpoint, you should respect others without retorting to using terms like 'Moron', it makes you look...well quite stupid, moronic and IMO disrespectful.
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| Quote ="tugglesf78"Jesus there are some right bells on here.'"
dave/ivor is trying to do something worthwhile and you get numpties pulling him to bits
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Quote :13bo9t53Out of curiosity, why is one not allowed to 'commemorate' or 'mark' the beginning of a war? '" :13bo9t53
maybe it's the norm to commerorate the beginning of a war in the uk - certainly isn't in France so please excuse my ignorance
Quote :13bo9t53How is it acceptable that you and you alone decide what others can or cannot commemorate?'" :13bo9t53
I don't 'decide' anything, just give an opinion as is my right on such a forum - you and anyone else can agree with me or not
Quote :13bo9t53 Does it not show due respect to those brave souls who decided to stand up & fight for their country and/or to help another ally in their time of need (albeit sometimes fruitlessly and under terrible command)? Would you deny those that feel respect is due to their forebears and all those unknown for showing the guts to do what they felt was right (again even if that was under many misconceptions and misrepresentation)?
Maybe it might help remind the kids of today how terrible war/death is not just in the lives lost but the social and intrinsic infrastructure costs for decades afterwards so they are able to grasp the magnitude of it and see the oft futility of war.
'" :13bo9t53
quite right and that's why the 11th november is still 'celebrated' as a Bank Holiday in France with usually excellent turnouts at the average Remembrance Day service in the town or village square, it's always an emotional occasion where ALL past and present conflicts are remembered including the present losses in Afghanistan etc - the kids are taught the futility of war as well as the mistakes of the past in the schools - at our recent service in the town square, I estimate 50% of the population turned out with a sizeable percentage of those being under the age of 16
Quote :13bo9t53So whilst one can respect a personal viewpoint, you should respect others without retorting to using terms like 'Moron', it makes you look...well quite stupid, moronic and IMO disrespectful.'"
all viewpoints are respected but inane ideas (in my opinion only it seems) are moronic but again, please excuse my obvious ignorance of such matters
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| Lol, how typically French to forget your own celebrations!!!
'La Fete Nationale' is hugely celebrated (see below), in case you had forgotten it is the spark that started what we know as the French Revolution, you know that little 10 year thing you had in your own backyard that had worldwide repercussions. Were you went from a Monarchy to a Republic in less than 3 years culminating in the execution of your king among qho was among the circa 100,000 murderous deaths of fellow countrymen with a 'war' within your own nation.
Even the 'moronic' British/English don't celebrate our civil 'war'
So now tell me how the French don't celebrate not only wars but actually cold blooded murder?
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| Quote ="knockersbumpMKII"Lol, how typically French to forget your own celebrations!!!
'La Fete Nationale' is hugely celebrated (see below), in case you had forgotten it is the spark that started what we know as the French Revolution, you know that little 10 year thing you had in your own backyard that had worldwide repercussions. Were you went from a Monarchy to a Republic in less than 3 years culminating in the execution of your king
among qho was among the circa 100,000 murderous deaths of fellow countrymen with a 'war' within your own nation.
Even the 'moronic' British/English don't celebrate our civil 'war'
So now tell me how the French don't celebrate not only wars but actually cold blooded murder?
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quite right too!
you could do the same in the uk - line up the royals and the hundreds or thousands of hangers on and chop off their heads one by one starting with the Great Wally of China, Juglugs & Horseface - save 'Brenda' for last
and don't start moralising about civil strife when the blood of 200000 people (from a population of about 5 million !) from the Civil Wars aka Cromwell etc and not even to mention The Battle of the Boyne et al and I suppose the Northern Irish conflict with the thousands of murdered on the streets was just a minor skirmish ?
Please mate , do me a favour...
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| Quote ="sanjunien"icon_lol.gif
quite right too!
you could do the same in the uk - line up the royals and the hundreds or thousands of hangers on and chop off their heads one by one starting with the Great Wally of China, Juglugs & Horseface - save 'Brenda' for last
and don't start moralising about civil strife when the blood of 200000 people (from a population of about 5 million !) from the Civil Wars aka Cromwell etc and not even to mention The Battle of the Boyne et al and I suppose the Northern Irish conflict with the thousands of murdered on the streets was just a minor skirmish ?
Please mate , do me a favour...'"
No one is denying the fact that these things happened. You just said it was strange to celebrate a war when in fact, the French and even the Americans celebrate wars.
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| Quote ="LifeLongHKRFan"No one is denying the fact that these things happened. You just said it was strange to celebrate a war when in fact, the French and even the Americans celebrate wars.'"
you forgot the aussies (Gallipoli - ANZAC Day etc) and probably hundreds more throughout the world since time began
I still find it bizarre to celebrate te start of the Great War when the end is already marked so publically - sorry, it's only my opinion
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| Quote ="sanjunien"you forgot the aussies (Gallipoli - ANZAC Day etc) and probably hundreds more throughout the world since time began
I still find it bizarre to celebrate te start of the Great War when the end is already marked so publically - sorry, it's only my opinion'"
because if you do not acknowledge/mark/remember the start of wars people only know about the end of the wars i.e The celebrations and then start thinking lets have another war so we can have a great celebration afterwards.
We need to remember the causes, the start, the events and then be thankful it ended to hopefully keep future wars to the minimum.
I find it bizarre that you are willing to "celebrate" the end of the great war when giving France the disputed Alsace-Lorraine territory and creating a de-militarised Rhineland negotiated in Paris and signed at Versaille was one of the major reasons Hitler came to power and WW2 started. By "celebrating" the victors lording it over the vanquished you are celebrating the start of WW2.
BTW, by victors I am referring to The Allies as i realise we are just as much to blame as France
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