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| Well the threats to Ecuador certainly worked, they've granted Julian Assange asylum.
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| If only all rape suspects were pursued with the same vigour.
Also interesting to see the comparisons between this deportation and that of General Pinochet.
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They are aren’t they? especially when the victims argue they haven’t been raped.
The fact the US is a bit annoyed at him is completely co-incidental.
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| Quote ="Ovavoo"Well the threats to Ecuador certainly worked, they've granted Julian Assange asylum.'"
Hopefully it means he'll have to go and live in Ecuador, and will keep him out of the news
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| Why don't they just assassinate him? It would be cheaper.
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| Unless he's going to live in the embassy forever can he actually get out of the country?
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| Quote ="SmokeyTA"The fact the US is a bit annoyed at him is completely co-incidental.'"
Well apparently not. Ecuadorian foreign minister said he asked Sweden for assurances about onward removal to the US and none were forthcoming. So it's difficult to see what other decision Ecuador could make.
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| Quote ="Him"Unless he's going to live in the embassy forever can he actually get out of the country?'"
Digging a tunnel under the embassy.
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| Quote ="WIZEB"icon_whisper.gif
Digging a tunnel under the embassy.'"
Do you mean he's wandering around the Ecuadorian embassy dispersing little bits of rubble from his trousers?
Will someone at the airport catch him out by saying "good luck" to him in Spanish?
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| Quote ="John_D"Well apparently not. Ecuadorian foreign minister said he asked Sweden for assurances about onward removal to the US and none were forthcoming. So it's difficult to see what other decision Ecuador could make.'"
Also difficult for Sweden to make any such assurances given that a valid extradition request would be decided by their judiciary and not their government.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Also difficult for Sweden to make any such assurances given that a valid extradition request would be decided by their judiciary and not their government.'"
Fair point
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| Quote ="Him"Unless he's going to live in the embassy forever can he actually get out of the country?'"
Depends how far we're prepared to push it TBH. If they put him in a diplomatic car and drive him to an airport there's nothing to prevent the police from stopping the car an arresting him. Would cause a major diplomatic incident though.
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| Quote ="John_D"Fair point'"
Regardless of the validity or otherwise of the charges he faces in Sweden, the whole thing has now descended into a political game. Ecuador most likely made that request knowing full well that Sweden couldn't produce any assurances, and that as a result they'd have a perfect excuse to do what they wanted to do anyway. Asylum has been granted purely to stick two fingers up at the USA and, to a lesser extent, the UK.
Quite why anyone believes that Assange stands a better chance of being deported to the USA from Sweden than the UK is beyond me.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Quite why anyone believes that Assange stands a better chance of being deported to the USA from Sweden than the UK is beyond me.'"
Yes, that's the odd one given that the UK is prepared to surrender anyone to the US under the treaty between us and them which Sweden - hardly a notorious enemy of free speech - is not a signatory to.
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| Quote ="John_D"Yes, that's the odd one given that the UK is prepared to surrender anyone to the US under the treaty between us and them which Sweden - hardly a notorious enemy of free speech - is not a signatory to.'"
I wondered about that. I would have thought Swedish courts less likely to surrender someone up than ours given the treaty we have.
Despite this Assange want's asylum as he doesn't feel that is any safeguard. I don't think any European country would grant it as they would say he has no fear of being persecuted in his home country of Australia so Ecuador it is.
Wonder if they will try and smuggle him out in a diplomatic bag (a large create in reality) as was tried once before?
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| Quote ="DaveO"Wonder if they will try and smuggle him out in a diplomatic bag (a large create in reality) as was tried once before?'"
Almost makes you pine for the days of midnight flits to remote airfields. Harder to achieve in the age of modern communications. There's the Mourinho option of the laundry basket, I suppose.
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| As Newsthump says, "Man locks himself in building to avoid getting locked in another building"
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| Quote ="John_D"Almost makes you pine for the days of midnight flits to remote airfields. Harder to achieve in the age of modern communications. There's the Mourinho option of the laundry basket, I suppose.'"
Just dress him as a schoolgirl, stuff him an a holdall and hide him in the loft. Then invite the Met to search the place.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Depends how far we're prepared to push it TBH. If they put him in a diplomatic car and drive him to an airport there's nothing to prevent the police from stopping the car an arresting him. Would cause a major diplomatic incident though.'"
Couldn't we arrest him in between him leaving the embassy and getting in the car?
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Just dress him as a schoolgirl, stuff him an a holdall and hide him in the loft. Then invite the Met to search the place.'"
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| There's a rumour which I'd love to be true doing the rounds.
Apparently there were a lot of the Anonymous crowd there earlier, complete with 'V for Vendetta' masks. The story is that he borrowed a mask and a hoody and is now on a plane.
It's got to be completely fictitious, but it's a lovely image.
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| I have no idea how true any of this is, but it makes interesting reading if it's correct:
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1) Julian Assange is not charged with anything in Sweden or any other country.
2) Julian Assange did not flee Sweden to avoid questioning. He was given permission to leave the country on the 15th September 2010, after remaining 5 weeks in Sweden for the purpose of answering the allegations made against him.
3) The case against Julian Assang was initially dropped, and deemed so weak it could not warrant investigation. After the intervention of a Swedish politician close to American diplomats, it was revived by a different prosecutor.
4) In all instances, the 2 plaintiffs consented to sexual intercourse, which they did not take the initiative to stop: they never expressed non-consent and after wards declared to not have felt threatened by Julian Assange.
5) A condom submitted as evidence by complainant AA, who claimed it had been deliberately torn by Julian Assange during sexual intercourse, contains no chromosomal DNA from either the complainant or Julian.
6) Text messages exchanged between complainants and their friends contradict the factual allegations in the European Arrest Warrant (EAW) issued for Julian Assange and cast doubt on the allegations.
7) After the date of the alleged sexual misconduct: a) Complainant AA created then deleted evidence(tweets) indicating she was enjoying Julian Assange’s company; b) AA went as far as suggesting one of her friends (Witness C) should be intimate with Julian as well.
The law firm hired in the Assange investigation is ran by Claes Borgström (politician and legal representative for both plaintiffs) and by former minister Thomas Bodström. Both are members of the Social Democrat Party in Sweden. Bodström is a friend of police interrogator Irmeli Krans, who interrogated complainant SW.
9) Police interrogator Irmeli Krans is, in turn,friends with the other plaintiff, complainant AA, with whom she has political ties (Social Democrat Party). Krans also breached protocol by commenting negatively about Julian Assange on social media.
10) Swedish prosecutor, Marianne Ny, refused to provide Julian Assange or his lawyers with information on the allegations against him in writing. This violates the Swedish Code of Procedure (RB 23:1icon_cool.gif and the European Convention of Human Rights (article 5), and the EU Fundamental Charter on Human Rights.
Prosecution also refused all voluntary offers for cooperation that fit under Mutual Legal Assistance protocol, such as making use of alternative methods to interview Julian Assange.
11) Both the EAW and the Interpol red notice were issued for Julian by Sweden ust before WikiLeaks began to publish Cablegate.
12) The allegations against Julian Assange do not constitute an offense in Australia or in the UK.'"
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| Quote ="Scooter Nik"Apparently there were a lot of the Anonymous crowd there earlier, complete with 'V for Vendetta' masks.'"
Another bunch of despicable muppets I'd happily see face the chair along with Assange.
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| Quote ="Cronus"Another bunch of despicable muppets I'd happily see face the chair along with Assange.'"
Just say what you feel Cronus, don't hold back in any way
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| Quote ="Scooter Nik"I have no idea how true any of this is, but it makes interesting reading if it's correct:
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[url=http://pme200.blogspot.co.uk/2012/08/assange.htmlMyths dispelled[/url
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