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| Get ready for a pi[iss[/ipotical, dog's breakfast of a proposal on legislation.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Get ready for a pi[iss[/ipotical, dog's breakfast of a proposal on legislation.'"
You think Admin are that bad then
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| Kirkstaller could have a good case!
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| Quote Websites will soon be forced to identify people who have posted defamatory messages online.'"
No problem for us - we don't allow you to post defamatory statements, and you agree not to when you sign up to the AUP by registering an account. So all good.
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| Quote ="tb"No problem for us - we don't allow you to post defamatory statements, and you agree not to when you sign up to the AUP by registering an account. So all good.
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But, is cyber bullying allowed (see my post above)?
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| Quote ="Dally"But, is cyber bullying allowed (see my post above)?'"
nobody was bullying kirkstaller, they were just exposing him (and you) for being bigots.
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| Quote ="Dally"But, is cyber bullying allowed '"
No. And ridiculing ridiculous views is not cyber bullying.
But feel free to have a read of the AUP again, especially section 2.2. If you feel unable to abide by it, you're free not to post.
Now, if anyone wants to discuss the actual subject of the OP, ie the government proposals ...
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| Personally I'd be happy to say anything I type here to someone in person.
Specifically with these cases on Facebook the problem appears to be (I don't use facebook so can't say for sure) that they are too large to moderate effectively (or that they are deliberately not moderated because the foul mouthed peanut brains that think it's fun to hurl abuse at people are their biggest customers).
This site has effective moderation, it would be unfortunate if badly thought out legislation hit sites like this unfairly.
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| Quote ="DHM"Personally I'd be happy to say anything I type here to someone in person.
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I think a good yardstick is to use an old fashioned pub tap room as an example.
You know the sort of place, Friday night, several tables all frequented by the same people every week, some playign doms, some playing darts, some just moaning about the price of fish and how their rugby/football team is rubbish and the coach doesn't know what he's doing...
Then some complete stranger walks in and in a very loud voice tells everyone that they are all idiots, their team is rubbish, the town they live in is rubbish, they are rubbish and their lives are rubbish, and Wigan is so much better.
In a pub tap room situation that person would be out of the back door so fast that his feet wouldn't hit the floor and he'd wake up in a dustbin on Saturday morning with an interesting collection of black eyes and broken teeth.
When that cap fits to a user who appears on any of the RLFans forums, then that is your troll, and he ends up in the virtual bin, and the strange thing is, when you meet these people in real life they are usually the shyest most inconspicuous people you could ever wish to meet, the very last people who would walk into a pub tap room and do what they do online.
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| Quote ="DHM" it would be unfortunate if badly thought out legislation hit sites like this unfairly.'"
That is precisely my fear.
If anyone made defamation claim to the owners/admin of any site, most would immediately remove the offending post and/or ban the "offending" poster. This new libel legislation is supposed to be "future proof" and that sounds real alarm bells when the legislature are concerned.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"That is precisely my fear.
If anyone made defamation claim to the owners/admin of any site, most would immediately remove the offending post and/or ban the "offending" poster. This new libel legislation is supposed to be "future proof" and that sounds real alarm bells when the legislature are concerned.'"
Personally, unless its bleeding obvious that there is a legal case to be made (for example in the case quoted on the BBC site) I'd reply to any such request that I'm going to refer it to the site admin and in the meantime perhaps the person concerned could consider and list what specific items they will be taking legal action on and under what terms and give us the name of their solicitor to make reference to.
Most people who complain about posts against them are idiots.
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| I witness what is tantamount to bullying on here.
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| Quote ="Rooster Booster"I witness what is tantamount to bullying on here.'"
Whilst the AUP covers that, you are talking about an entirely different thing, no proposed legislation would cover schoolyard name-calling or derision.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2163618/Did-suffocate-polyester-wedding-dress-Internet-trolls-death-threats-couple-petitioned-PM-gay-marriage.html'"
Unacceptable and disgraceful.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"I think a good yardstick is to use an old fashioned pub tap room as an example.
You know the sort of place, Friday night, several tables all frequented by the same people every week, some playign doms, some playing darts, some just moaning about the price of fish and how their rugby/football team is rubbish and the coach doesn't know what he's doing...
Then some complete stranger walks in and in a very loud voice tells everyone that they are all idiots, their team is rubbish, the town they live in is rubbish, they are rubbish and their lives are rubbish, and Wigan is so much better.
In a pub tap room situation that person would be out of the back door so fast that his feet wouldn't hit the floor and he'd wake up in a dustbin on Saturday morning with an interesting collection of black eyes and broken teeth.
When that cap fits to a user who appears on any of the RLFans forums, then that is your troll, and he ends up in the virtual bin, and the strange thing is, when you meet these people in real life they are usually the shyest most inconspicuous people you could ever wish to meet, the very last people who would walk into a pub tap room and do what they do online.'"
oh dear
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| Quote Facebook, which did not contest the order, will now reveal the IP addresses of people who had abused her so she can prosecute them.'"
Has anyone considered how you go from an IP address to identifying an individual? Further court orders [imay[/i get you the details of the account holder who was assigned that IP address at the time. Still doesn't get you the individual using the connection at the time.
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| Quote ="SBR"Has anyone considered how you go from an IP address to identifying an individual? Further court orders [imay[/i get you the details of the account holder who was assigned that IP address at the time. Still doesn't get you the individual using the connection at the time.'"
They can see down the wires and through your monitor - remember poor little Carol-Anne in "Poltergeist" - thats how they do it.
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