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www.channel4.com/info/press/news ... by-viagogo
On CH4 now (9pm Thur) regarding the practices of ticket resellers and promoters to make fans pay more. And it is creeping into none music events and sports events. One major player being SJM
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On CH4 now (9pm Thur) regarding the practices of ticket resellers and promoters to make fans pay more. And it is creeping into none music events and sports events. One major player being SJM
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| Quote ="bewildered"Yes yes my spelling was not at it best, I am a disgrace'"
Is that discrace
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| I'd like to say I'm surprised by the programme but I'm not!
Tbh, it's never hard to get tickets for an event if you know what you're doing. Anyone that buys from these companies doesn't deserve money to spend!
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| Quote ="bewildered"www.channel4.com/info/press/news/channel-4-dispatches-defeats-injunction-attempt-by-viagogo
On CH4 now (9pm Thur) regarding the practices of ticket resellers and promoters to make fans pay more. And it is creeping into none music events and sports events. One major player being SJM'"
Is this how Warrington can afford to fail so spectacularly?
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| It'd be interesting to see if the same practice is carried out at Getmein, Ticketmaster's sister company - that would be worse, given they're the very source of the tickets.
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| I wonder if this could prompt a possible police investigation into corporate fraud. If the company are misrepresenting themselves as a ticket exchange between fans, when in reality they are selling tickets they have obtained direct from the event box office, at a huge profit?
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| Never had a problem getting tickets for anything I want to go to, I have no issues with these companies. Buying something from somewhere with the intention to sell it on at a higher price than you paid for it is hardly revolutionary or unusual.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"Never had a problem getting tickets for anything I want to go to, I have no issues with these companies. Buying something from somewhere with the intention to sell it on at a higher price than you paid for it is hardly revolutionary or unusual.'"
When it was just touts outside a venue buying unwanted tickets and seeling them on then I'd agree. But this is touting on an industrial scale. It's the difference betwen a guy with a fishing rod and a fleet of Japanese factory trawlers.
But then if people are prepared to pay 250 quid to see Coldplay I obviously live in a world I've lost touch with completely.
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| I'm going to a sold out gig at the 02 this evening. Standing sold out in an hour, I didn't have a problem buying a ticket. The day I have a problem is the day I have an issue with there companies. I'd like to know the actual percentage of tickets that are genuine purchases. There is a lot of hysteria involved in this I bet.
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| Quote ="Dave Lister"I'm going to a sold out gig at the 02 this evening. Standing sold out in an hour, I didn't have a problem buying a ticket. The day I have a problem is the day I have an issue with there companies. I'd like to know the actual percentage of tickets that are genuine purchases. There is a lot of hysteria involved in this I bet.'"
I haven't looked to buy tickets for anything for a while, so you'd know more than I would on that score. It might be the case that it's been blown out of proportion, I just see this as an example of corporates getting rid of "sleazy" touts just so they can replace them with an industrial equivalent. Some people were making a few quid and the big boys didn't see why it shouldn't be them.
These sorts of things are all made possible by the internet though, and I guess it's all fairly inevitable once you take that into account.
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| Quote ="DHM"I just see this as an example of corporates getting rid of "sleazy" touts just so they can replace them with an industrial equivalent.'"
Now you understand. Oh and less of the sleazy if you don't mind...
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| Didn't see this programme, but is the practice any different to an individual selling "spare" tickets on Ebay, which I seem to recall promoters being up in arms about a few years ago? Or is OK if they do it, but not if an individual does it?
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| As Dave said, I've never had an issue getting a ticket for any event I've wanted to go to!
If people aren't clever enough to get on early and book their own tickets, then they deserve to be ripped off!
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| Quote ="West Cumbrian Rhino"As Dave said, I've never had an issue getting a ticket for any event I've wanted to go to!
If people aren't clever enough to get on early and book their own tickets, then they deserve to be ripped off!'"
But wasn't the point of the programme showing that these companies were basically blocking punters, who considered themselves "clever enough to get on early and book their own tickets", from buying and then selling the tickets they had bought themselves on at inflated prices? Hardly deserving of ripping off Average Joe.
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| The ticket issue is a bit of a red-herring. Of course it's wrong but it is also of trivial importance next to problem of big business - when caught out by what few investigative reporters there are these days - slapping a high court injunction on the story. It begs the question - how many other public interest stories are currently being blocked by a legislative system which clearly favours the business class?
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| Quote ="Chris28"But wasn't the point of the programme showing that these companies were basically blocking punters, who considered themselves "clever enough to get on early and book their own tickets", from buying and then selling the tickets they had bought themselves on at inflated prices? Hardly deserving of ripping off Average Joe.'"
Every customer who was on there moaning about not getting a ticket was a dathery women who didn't have much clue about anything pretty much!
I fail to understand how you could not get a ticket for something you wanted to see. If it was that important to you, you'd get one by any means neccessary!
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| Quote ="West Cumbrian Rhino"I fail to understand how you could not get a ticket for something you wanted
to see.'"
From the original link
"viagogo staff compete directly with real fans to buy tickets from primary ticket sellers, like Ticketmaster, for in demand events as soon as they go on sale. To get around systems put in place to prevent bulk buying of tickets, viagogo staff use multiple credit cards registered to different addresses"
That seems to explain some of it. It may not be illegal but it's a bit poor if your business model relies on blocking other people from buying a product so you can then sell the same product to the same person for a mark up, all the while masking your identity. And if there's nothing "wrong" with it, why the injunction?
Quote If it was that important to you, you'd get one by any means neccessary!'"
I don't disagree totally, as long as by any means necessary involves exposing as bent those who buy tickets in an organised fashion, with no intention of going to said event, just so others who genuinely want to go have to pay more.
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| The conditions on which you buy most tickets are that you are not allowed to resell them. Obviously that's almost impossible to police but technically if you have a second hand ticket it will usually be void.
I wouldn't have a problem with someone who couldn't use their tickets re-selling them, as long as they do so at face value. In reality, most people would be glad to take a profit, and many put them up on eBay in an auction and sell to the highest bidder when they could put them on at face value (plus I suppose eBay charges and postage) and sell by "Buy It Now".
The fact is the promoters of the big acts mostly couldn't give a sh?t how the tickets are sold or how the fans have to get them, the big arenas could solve the problem, i.e. ticket only valid if accompanied by the plastic used to purchase it, or failing that, valid ID (since most tickets are printed with the buyer's name). Not technologically that hard, but zero chance of it happening, as whatever they say, the people concerned in the various parts of the supply and demand chain just want to make a quick buck and it's not much different to paying a supermarket £12 a kilo for beef they paid the farmer £2 for.
And in truth you could come up with any number of different types of intermediaries in all sorts of retail and services who add little or nothing in real value but inflate the price due to their middleman's cut. That's just life.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"The conditions on which you buy most tickets are that you are not allowed to resell them. Obviously that's almost impossible to police but technically if you have a second hand ticket it will usually be void.
I wouldn't have a problem with someone who couldn't use their tickets re-selling them, as long as they do so at face value. In reality, most people would be glad to take a profit, and many put them up on eBay in an auction and sell to the highest bidder when they could put them on at face value (plus I suppose eBay charges and postage) and sell by "Buy It Now".
The fact is the promoters of the big acts mostly couldn't give a sh?t how the tickets are sold or how the fans have to get them, the big arenas could solve the problem, i.e. ticket only valid if accompanied by the plastic used to purchase it, or failing that, valid ID (since most tickets are printed with the buyer's name). Not technologically that hard, but zero chance of it happening, as whatever they say, the people concerned in the various parts of the supply and demand chain just want to make a quick buck and it's not much different to paying a supermarket £12 a kilo for beef they paid the farmer £2 for.
And in truth you could come up with any number of different types of intermediaries in all sorts of retail and services who add little or nothing in real value but inflate the price due to their middleman's cut. That's just life.'"
Again I don't disagree, but to use your analogy, no one is preventing me from getting beef at £12 per kilo from Tesco, by piling loads of mates into the shop in front of me to buy it, then popping outside and saying "here you go, £18 a kilo".
If I miss out by being dilatory, that's life, but the practice allegedly being used seems unfair (as in legally unfair, not boohoo unfair)
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| Definate rip-off, off which nothing will be done. Only way around this, is to simply not go to the events. The sooner the venues get back to selling the tickets, the better.
Next month at Cheltenham, it's cheaper to buy a ticket off touts outside than it is to go through the racecourse.
Haydock Park on fri 6th July. Evening racing + Madness in concert. £30/ ticket, multiply by 6 = £180. Add £1 for handling. £181 in total, bargain. Tickets available through the course.
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| I don't know why people are using the 'I've never had any problems buying tickets argument so I have no problem with it' argument because that isn't really what the programme was about. I've only ever not been able to buy tickets for a gig once and that was when I tried buying a standing ticket for Mumford & Sons and they sold out in 10 minutes (there was seating available, I just didn't want it). I would never use these websites to buy a ticket either.
The issue is that these companies are representing themselves as being 'fan to fan' services, when in fact they have deals with ticket promoters before they've even gone on sale. I think it said in the programme that they were allocated 29,000 tickets for a tour that Take That did. That is a lot of tickets, and after selling them with a mark up, a profit of probably over double or even triple the face value of the tickets. There's also a marked difference between one individual buying six or so tickets to sell on for a profit compared to a company employing hundreds of individuals armed with credit cards registered to numerous different addresses to buy up as many tickets as possible when they go on sale (while at the same time claiming that the only tickets they sell online are from genuine external sellers).
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| How come they were allocated ANY tickets for Take That, a tour bound to sell out in short order? The answer is that someone who thought they could get away with it and was in a position to do so, got this company to pay them well over the odds for these tickets, which they will have happily paid knowing they could make much more by hiking the price.
The scam involving staff members and banks of credit cards is to me potentially a fraud, and should be referred for criminal investigation. Obtaining by deception springs to mind.
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