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[url=http://www.tattydevine.com/blog/2012/02/can-you-spot-the-differenceHow do they think they can get away with this?[/url
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| Quote ="Mintball"[url=http://www.tattydevine.com/blog/2012/02/can-you-spot-the-differenceHow do they think they can get away with this?[/url'"
I suspect they won't... |
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| Quote ="Chris28"I suspect they won't...'"
Sadly I suspect they will, they will have a bigger budget for any lawyers bills than a small designer. |
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"Sadly I suspect they will, they will have a bigger budget for any lawyers bills than a small designer.'"
Just keep it dragging through the courts until the little person can't afford to pay any more legal bills and concedes the point or settles out of court for a pittance.
Up there with my pet hate - phoenixing businesses who continue to run up debts they never have any intention of paying, then walk away from them leaving their suppliers struggling. Something we see all the time at work unfortunately. |
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Do people buy that crap??
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Up there with my pet hate - phoenixing businesses who continue to run up debts they never have any intention of paying, then walk away from them leaving their suppliers struggling. Something we see all the time at work unfortunately.'"
Oh yes - know all about that one. I know where I'm not buying any furniture from in future... |
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"Just keep it dragging through the courts until the little person can't afford to pay any more legal bills and concedes the point or settles out of court for a pittance.
Up there with my pet hate - phoenixing businesses who continue to run up debts they never have any intention of paying, then walk away from them leaving their suppliers struggling. Something we see all the time at work unfortunately.'"
Prepacks are a nightmare in the print industry - problem is those suppliers - paper & ink who got caught first time are queuing up to supply the new company!! if suppliers refused to deal with prepacks it would stop the practise pretty quick. |
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"Prepacks are a nightmare in the print industry - problem is those suppliers - paper & ink who got caught first time are queuing up to supply the new company!! if suppliers refused to deal with prepacks it would stop the practise pretty quick.'"
The problem with having an ethical business policy is that pretty soon you'll be queueing up to take advantage of a pre-pack yourself.
Suppliers simply can't afford to be picky who they supply, because if they are someone else will come along and take that business away from them. |
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| Quote ="Andy Gilder"The problem with having an ethical business policy is that pretty soon you'll be queueing up to take advantage of a pre-pack yourself.
Suppliers simply can't afford to be picky who they supply, because if they are someone else will come along and take that business away from them.'"
The prepack completely screws up the market - especially selling rates, difficult to compete with a business devoid of debt with P&M they have got for a pittance!!
On a positive the majority fail in the first place because of inept management - it is the very same management who are running the new entity - not a shock a lot are failing a second/third time - you cannot polish a turd  |
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| Quote ="Mintball"[url=http://www.tattydevine.com/blog/2012/02/can-you-spot-the-differenceHow do they think they can get away with this?[/url'"
I'm certainly not defending this, but it's extremely common in fashion, if not always so blatant or indeed local to source.
A good friend of mine spends much of her working life travelling the UK and the world looking for "influences". |
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| Quote ="Cronus"I'm certainly not defending this, but it's extremely common in fashion, if not always so blatant or indeed local to source.
A good friend of mine spends much of her working life travelling the UK and the world looking for "influences".'"
Oh, I'd entirely agree – it's essentially how the fashion world works.
I think the obviousness of this is what makes it stand out. |
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| Quote ="Mintball"Oh, I'd entirely agree – it's essentially how the fashion world works.
I think the obviousness of this is what makes it stand out.'"
Absolutely, that's less of an 'influence' than daylight robbery. Almost perfect copies.
Good lawyers or not, hard to see how Claire's can get away with it.
That said, my friend has always said it practically impossible to start out as a designer these days for the simple fact the large fashion firms will 'borrow' anything decent and churn out their own versions - with just enough differences to probably be legally sound. |
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One huge growth industry is the specialist mega lawyers for mega corporations. Basically and as noted above, the general idea is to sue, sue and sue, and kill your opponent off or bludgeon them into submission - however ludicrous your own case - or force them to back down for fear of humungous legal costs.
Where the battle is relatively less unequal, then the trick is to litigate as a device to harm a competitor's product or their ability to market it.
Good examples are the endless court forays all over the world between Apple and other manufacturers of phones and comms devices, where everything - even the basic oblong shape of a tablet - is either patented or copyrighted or trademarked and thousands of allegations of intellectual rights infringement are made all the time.
When you are up against a multi-million pound lawyer budget, very few can compete, and even if they try to take them on, a heavy lawsuit can take over your life and totally distract you from your business to the point you can't do both.
James Dyson was one such, he eventually succeeded (though regular patent skirmishes continue unabated) but only because he had some very substantial financial backing.
Anheuser-Busch is another example, they have spent millions and decades worldwide trying to kill off or strangle the Budvar brewery which produces a magnificent beer called Budweiser, but A-B want the Budweiser name all to themselves for their risibly-monikered "king of beers".
It's just commercial tactics. Truth and justice don't enter into it.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"One huge growth industry is the specialist mega lawyers for mega corporations. Basically and as noted above, the general idea is to sue, sue and sue, and kill your opponent off or bludgeon them into submission - however ludicrous your own case - or force them to back down for fear of humungous legal costs.
Where the battle is relatively less unequal, then the trick is to litigate as a device to harm a competitor's product or their ability to market it.
Good examples are the endless court forays all over the world between Apple and other manufacturers of phones and comms devices, where everything - even the basic oblong shape of a tablet - is either patented or copyrighted or trademarked and thousands of allegations of intellectual rights infringement are made all the time.
When you are up against a multi-million pound lawyer budget, very few can compete, and even if they try to take them on, a heavy lawsuit can take over your life and totally distract you from your business to the point you can't do both.
James Dyson was one such, he eventually succeeded (though regular patent skirmishes continue unabated) but only because he had some very substantial financial backing.
Anheuser-Busch is another example, they have spent millions and decades worldwide trying to kill off or strangle the Budvar brewery which produces a magnificent beer called Budweiser, but A-B want the Budweiser name all to themselves for their risibly-monikered "king of beers".
It's just commercial tactics. Truth and justice don't enter into it.'"
Yup, this is something that needs legislation to stop it. The major electronics firms you mention are now acquiring companies purely for their 'patent portfolio' with the idea that rather than make money by selling to consumers, they will make it through suing other corporations for mega money.. |
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In 1972 Audemars Piguet released the Royal Oak.
At the same time Bulova released a near identical watch.
Now what's debatable is how the Bulova version came to be. Some state that Gerald Genta, the designer of the Royal Oak and many a famous watch, from Patek Philippes Nautilus to IWC's Ingenieur. Designed the watch for Bulova before soon moving onto Audemars Piguet where he again offered up the same design. The fact that the two version's more or less simultaneously hit stores at the same times, only served to muddy the waters further.
The other more widely acknowledged version of events, is that Bulova blatantly copied the Royal Oak design, at a time when the Swiss watch industry was on it's knee's due to the so called "quartz crisis". The Royal Oak is after all credited with saving AP from certain closure.
Ultimately the Bulova version was only made for a very short time before production was halted, no doubt due to pressure from AP. Suggesting that the latter version of event's turned out to be the truth. But the fact that Genta refused to speak on the matter, ultimately taking whatever he new to the grave with him, has never the less left a rather intriguing story behind.
On a side note. There is such a thing known as "homage" watches. Often copying the design of the most sought after pieces. With vintage Panerai being a prime target of this.
An original piece coming up for sale on the 12th of May in Mannheim
www.uhren-muser.de/katalog.html
A cheap, widely available knockoff.
Yet because it features no name on the dial as per the original, is why Panerai's are perfectly suited to be "homaged". With those responsible totally free from prosecution.
I've not mentioned fakes at all, as that's all they are, fakes! Where as the above blur the lines to some degree. |
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In 1972 Audemars Piguet released the Royal Oak.
At the same time Bulova released a near identical watch.
Now what's debatable is how the Bulova version came to be. Some state that Gerald Genta, the designer of the Royal Oak and many a famous watch, from Patek Philippes Nautilus to IWC's Ingenieur. Designed the watch for Bulova before soon moving onto Audemars Piguet where he again offered up the same design. The fact that the two version's more or less simultaneously hit stores at the same times, only served to muddy the waters further.
The other more widely acknowledged version of events, is that Bulova blatantly copied the Royal Oak design, at a time when the Swiss watch industry was on it's knee's due to the so called "quartz crisis". The Royal Oak is after all credited with saving AP from certain closure.
Ultimately the Bulova version was only made for a very short time before production was halted, no doubt due to pressure from AP. Suggesting that the latter version of event's turned out to be the truth. But the fact that Genta refused to speak on the matter, ultimately taking whatever he new to the grave with him, has never the less left a rather intriguing story behind.
On a side note. There is such a thing known as "homage" watches. Often copying the design of the most sought after pieces. With vintage Panerai being a prime target of this.
An original piece coming up for sale on the 12th of May in Mannheim
www.uhren-muser.de/katalog.html
A cheap, widely available knockoff.
Yet because it features no name on the dial as per the original, is why Panerai's are perfectly suited to be "homaged". With those responsible totally free from prosecution.
I've not mentioned fakes at all, as that's all they are, fakes! Where as the above blur the lines to some degree. | |
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| Quote ="Wnidyone2012"Do people buy that crap??'"
You beat me to it, what a load of rubbish people buy. |
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I thought fashion had nothing to do with what stuff looked like but what label was on it? As long as it says Stella McCartney somewhere you could be dangling a turd around your neck.
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| Quote ="DHM"I thought fashion had nothing to do with what stuff looked like but what label was on it? As long as it says Stella McCartney somewhere you could be dangling a turd around your neck.'"
It's not a turd, it's a vintage, pre-used food item. |
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| Quote ="DHM"I thought fashion had nothing to do with what stuff looked like but what label was on it? As long as it says Stella McCartney somewhere you could be dangling a turd around your neck.'"
Poppycock. You obviously haven't seen [url=http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/fashion/news/menswear-finds-its-swagger-to-escape-role-as-poor-relation-of-british-fashion-7320522.htmlthis[/url. Bet you feel daft for disparaging the fashion industry now, eh? |
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If you fancy a little diversion as you while away a Friday afternoon, visit the [url=http://www.facebook.com/clairesClaire's Accessories facebook page[/url and leave a negative message, then see how long it remains. Mine lasted less than one hour.
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Quote ="cod'ead"If you fancy a little diversion as you while away a Friday afternoon, visit the [url=http://www.facebook.com/clairesClaire's Accessories facebook page[/url and leave a negative message, then see how long it remains. Mine lasted less than one hour.'"
Mine didn't last much longer yesterday either.
You can also tweet them at @ClairesStores or email them at customer.services@claires.co.uk. |
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Quote ="cod'ead"If you fancy a little diversion as you while away a Friday afternoon, visit the [url=http://www.facebook.com/clairesClaire's Accessories facebook page[/url and leave a negative message, then see how long it remains. Mine lasted less than one hour.'"
Mine didn't last much longer yesterday either.
You can also tweet them at @ClairesStores or email them at customer.services@claires.co.uk. | |
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