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| I though Gordon had flogged it all?
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| I was trying to buy some gold leaf at the weekend, couldn't get any anywhere.
Seriously.
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| An American has discovered a wrecked British WW2 merchant ship, with a haul of platinum worth £1.2b.
Let's get that back
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| That looks like a nice wedge of gold.
We could get Cameron to stake it in a game of poker at the next Euro summit, like Casino Royale. See if Sarkozy would be willing to go all in.
If we won we could clean out the French and improve our budget position significantly and wipe the smile off Sarko's face.
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| Cameron could get Gordon Brown to negotiate a sale of the platinum. He did well with all our gold.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Cameron could get Gordon Brown to negotiate a sale of the platinum. He did well with all our gold.'"
Well, maybe not "all".
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Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Cameron could get Gordon Brown to negotiate a sale of the platinum. He did well with all our gold.'"
The line about selling off the gold has been overplayed by some of the tabloids as an easy way to bash Brown.
He did get a bad deal by selling at the bottom of a market that subsequently rose but the UK wasn't alone in diversifying its reserves at that time. Australia, Canada, Switzerland, France all lost out by selling gold at that time, I think Switzerland and Canada sold a lot more than we did. When the tabloids claim that Brown lost £xbn on the gold they are just comparing the value of the gold then with the value of the gold at its peak a decade later, without adjusting it for the fact that when the gold was sold it was invested in other interest bearing assets so to actually find the net value of that decision is far more complicated (probably still a net loss, but a much smaller one).
At the time the prevailing economic thought was that it was a historic anachronism to keep such a large portion of a country's reserves in gold, a throwback from the war and the Cold War era where people feared that there would be another world war and gold was at least something tangible if large scale industry and production was destroyed. So a lot of countries were diversifying their assets from gold into other things and we were one of them.
Interestingly on this I once heard Ken Clarke interviewed about this and the interviewer asked him about Brown's decision to sell the gold presumably wanting Clarke to stick the boot in and he said he could never understand why we hoarded so much gold and he kept trying to persuade the Treasury to sell it when he was Chancellor but he said the mandarins in the Treasury seemed to have a nostalgic attachment to gold so he never got round to it. Brown obviously did...and at the worst time. But it was not as bad a decision as people have made out.
www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5788dbac-7680 ... z1lJyIfv1E
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Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Cameron could get Gordon Brown to negotiate a sale of the platinum. He did well with all our gold.'"
The line about selling off the gold has been overplayed by some of the tabloids as an easy way to bash Brown.
He did get a bad deal by selling at the bottom of a market that subsequently rose but the UK wasn't alone in diversifying its reserves at that time. Australia, Canada, Switzerland, France all lost out by selling gold at that time, I think Switzerland and Canada sold a lot more than we did. When the tabloids claim that Brown lost £xbn on the gold they are just comparing the value of the gold then with the value of the gold at its peak a decade later, without adjusting it for the fact that when the gold was sold it was invested in other interest bearing assets so to actually find the net value of that decision is far more complicated (probably still a net loss, but a much smaller one).
At the time the prevailing economic thought was that it was a historic anachronism to keep such a large portion of a country's reserves in gold, a throwback from the war and the Cold War era where people feared that there would be another world war and gold was at least something tangible if large scale industry and production was destroyed. So a lot of countries were diversifying their assets from gold into other things and we were one of them.
Interestingly on this I once heard Ken Clarke interviewed about this and the interviewer asked him about Brown's decision to sell the gold presumably wanting Clarke to stick the boot in and he said he could never understand why we hoarded so much gold and he kept trying to persuade the Treasury to sell it when he was Chancellor but he said the mandarins in the Treasury seemed to have a nostalgic attachment to gold so he never got round to it. Brown obviously did...and at the worst time. But it was not as bad a decision as people have made out.
www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5788dbac-7680 ... z1lJyIfv1E
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| Great post Sally, I didn't know any of that.
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| That's actually a couple of photos from the Toblerone factory.
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| Quote ="100% Wire"An American has discovered a wrecked British WW2 merchant ship, with a haul of platinum worth £1.2b.
Let's get that back'"
The only thin Brtitishg about that platinum was the ship that got sunk.
Russian platinum heading for the US as payment for war supplies. Some claim we'd have on it
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| Depends where it was insured with and where its sunk I suspect.
If Lloyds paid out the insurance then they own the stuff.
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| Quote ="Code13"Depends where it was insured with and where its sunk I suspect.
If Lloyds paid out the insurance then they own the stuff.'"
Lloyds paying out for an act of war?
Now you are having a laugh
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| According to various reports I've read, the Soviet Union made good the lost payment, and an insurance payment of around $53M was made.
The only thing guaranteed at this stage is many years and many millions spent in the courts.
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