www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... stmas.html Do you feel sorry for her (or not)?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... stmas.html Do you feel sorry for her (or not)?

No, I really don't feel sorry for the old crow.

Having said that I have been through 15 years of a parent who steadily became more senile and I can tell you when they get to the stage that that old crone is at there is no point in being there and ruining your life because they don't even recognise who you are.

If you've never been there I can understand why you would think Carol and Mark to be heartless.

I am not a fan of theirs, but they are doing right by themselves.

Perhaps it indicates something of how they feel about their mother? And if so, perhaps they have a reason.

I think you are being cruel, Minty. Maggie is now a shell of her former self. Trust me, when people get to that state there is little point in spending time with them. As I said, if you've never been there it may be difficult to understand.

Having said that, if anyone ever deserved to have their nearest and dearest be cruel to them it is Maggie. Heartless, horrible woman.

Nasty, arrogant, heartless scum...I blame the parents.

Sad to see a great British leader gradually deteriorating

Her son is the scum of that family.

Another slag Maggie off thread? So soon?

Oh come now, think about it ... a total tw@ spawned by parents of the same ilk, what did you expect of him?

Nonetheless, much as I despise her, I wouldn't have wished her current condition upon her.

On the contrary, I am defending her children from the sanctimonious rubbish being doled out by a very poor newspaper.

And if you want to have a go at said sanctimonious newspaper, I will be right behind you.

Pointing and laughing at the misfortunes of a frail old lady is a bit low by any standards . Regardless of whatever she may have or have not done in her earlier years there are no excuses for some of the things people are saying about her now .
As for the behaviour of her children . No parent can be held wholly responsible for how their offspring turn out .

Believe me, I would never laugh at the state of a person suffering from dementia.

Neither would I suggest that her children are being negligent by getting on with their lives when she is being looked after very well.

I wish I had understood that I was wasting my time long before I did.

Her carer is quite likely to be better equipped to cater for her needs than her children are , so I won't disagree with you on that . Visiting a person suffering from dementia and memory problems can be very frustrating and painful . I remember taking my young son to see my gran . She was constantly asking who the child was , what his name was , and wether we had a son or a daughter . Minutes later she would be telling us about her neighbours from the street she lived on eighty years previously, followed by ' did you have a boy or a girl ? What did you call it ? ' . I really can't fault them for sometimes avoiding paying her a visit , but surely they could have made the effort for a Christmas visit . She might not be around much longer . They should make the most of it while she is still here .
Having said that . I doubt that it is their up-bringing that affects their decision as to wether or not they go to see her .

All perfectly true.

I'd go further though and show my hand right now - I don't want my kids to feel obliged to come and visit me at home at Christmas, if they want to come that'll be nice, if they want to go to the Caribbean instead then that'll be fine too, I didn't have kids to make myself a chore to them when I'm an old curmudgeon.

Thank you McF. Those who have not seen it perhaps do not know.

Sorry, but I made weekly visits. I got the same story every time for a year before ny Dad thought I was his brother. Then he thought I was his Uncle (His Dad died early). Eventually he had no idea at all.

So please don't have a go at people whose parents are like that. And please understand that now we are are working out how wonderful a society we have based on life expectancy there will be many more people like this. Sadly. Statistics stink.

Sorry if I gave the wrong impression . I made regular visits to my gran , and although I do realise that it is not nearly as painful as visiting a parent under such circumstances I feel I do have at least some idea of what it feels like . My sympathies are with you and your family for having to endure such misfortune . My issue isn't with people not visiting ill relatives . It is with people blaming Mrs T for the behaviour of her children .

[iwhen[/i you're an old curmudgeon?

I've not had - or known of, at any rate - family go that way. Yet. But I spent some ten, almost 30 years ago, working on a psycho-geriatric ward and it was an experience I haven't forgotten. I was fortunate that the sister in charge was an absolute diamond, who made sure the residents were never just left to rot in urine-soaked beds (which I also saw, on a kind of emergency secondment at the same hospital).

It was an extraordinary experience that has stayed with me - but you're spot on: it is not easy dealing with people who have such conditions. And my experience was not as a relative, with the emotional context that that means.

If I thought that the senile old bat could even understand that her kids would sooner be anywhere else on earth apart from with her, then I may have a slight - a very slight - amount of sympathy.

As it is, I do not.

As much as I shall rejoice in her death, I will enjoy all the time in between, watching her being ignored by her loved ones. She did enough to destroy whole communities in this country. So if her over-privileged, idiot progeny decide that they've had enough of the old fooking witch, at least they're showing some sense.

What are the vetting qualifications to become her carer?

Fucking bollocking christmas. Seriously who gives a ? It's just another day.

Forget the personalities involved, it's no more special than December 28 or June 3, I have a work colleague whose mother is in a similar state and she has been ridiculously vilified by her family because she wasn't going to visit her on Christmas Day - even though she sees her more than the rest of them do on a regular basis.

I understand Beverley Allitt was the best candidate to do the job...

She made hundreds of thousands of people better off.
She ruined millions and millions of peoples lives at the same time. The repercussions of her policies are still being felt now on estates all over britain.I really really wish she died ten years ago,politics would have been so much simpler then. Having said what iv'e said why has no government 'since' tryed to reverse her policies?

She personally destroyed communities ? She was the only person involved in making descisions that affected those communities ?
That is akin to suggesting that Ronald is responsible for your burger being undercooked .

I ain't getting any further involved in that discussion . There is an old lady that is ill , and regardless of her previous she deserves sympathy .

And Hitler was not, alone, responsible for the Holocaust.

How very true . But in the grand scale of things this frail old lady ( of whom I am not a great fan may I add ) is better compared to Ronald than Adolph .