[url=http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3941923/Sham-bride-and-groom-get-jailed.htmlWedding sham[/url


So let me get this right. The guys visa was running out so he tried to get married to a stranger to stay in the Country. He was caught and then jailed in THIS country for a year????? Why not just send him home and black list him for any future visa applications??? Now the tax payers have to pay for him (which we were anyway as he's a student) for another year when legally he shouldn't even be here

I agree, if we'd just shot him instead, we could've saved the price of return airfare too

Depends on if you regard an element of jail time as punishment for a crime ?

If you do then just sending him back to his country of origin is no punishment at all, you've basically just wagged your finger at him, told him not to be a silly boy and paid for his flight home at which point, and given the parlous state of the border controls he could walk to the nearest BA ticket office in the airport and fly straight back again.

In theory I guess he could. Fine him his air fare then (he obv has money). His crime was paying to stay illegally so as punishment we pay to keep him here

You realise that other countries lock up foreign nationals for crimes committed on their territory, right? Or do you think it's just the 'good old British justice system' that engages in such outlandish behaviour?

He broke the law. He was caught, tried, found guilty, sentenced, and is serving time. Once he's completed his sentence he'll be deported.

I fail to see the problem TBH.

You obviously don't read the Sun, Star, Mail or Express then. He'll be living it large in some cushy nick, watching Sky TV when he's not playing on his state-supplied Wii, or lounging in the jacuzzi while quaffing mojitas

Mind you, making him live with that Hungarian wrestler he was about to marry would surely be punishment enough?

The issue of foreign nationals serving sentences in UK prisons has been in the "too difficult tray" for many years. HMCS would dearly love to repatriate them to serve their sentences in their own country. The problem is that in many countries they would be subject to far more draconian conditions than in the UK, whereas in other countries there would be no guarantee that they would serve any sentence.

Sham weddings are a fairly minor issue, the main problem is with "drug mules" who make up a significant proportion of the female prison population.

God made this earth and mankind, why do we have to live where we are told? Each and every individual must be allowed to live where ever they want and not be segregated by countries and manmade boundaries.
It is not our place to determine where others can or cannot live.

Hells bells, one minute we're not locking enough people up for long enough, the next we're locking up too many for too long a time!

Yes, just over 6000 years ago, right?

Can I suggest you try this out. Get a one way ticket to Saudi and say the above to passport control. I would pay great money to see the response.

The Saudis wouldn't care. They like immigrant labour.

If you were skilled in the oil industry or some other area that could make them money they could make use of you and if you weren't then you could join the Bangladeshis, Pakistanis, Indians and so on that form an army of dirt cheap slave labour doing household tasks for Saudi families.

Where you would get a laugh is if you started talking about minimum wage, workers rights or industrial tribunals, thats when they'd laugh at you.

I'm not debating that. What I'm debating is how can punishment for attempting to stay in a Country ILLEGALLY be to stay in said Country LEGALLY??

It's rocket science.

He broke the law in THIS country and was therefore tried and sentenced in THIS country (where he broke the law), and the subsequent sentence is then to be completed in THIS country, where the crime occurred and where the trial happened and where the sentence was handed down.

When he decided that he wanted to stay in this country and commit a crime in an effort to do so, he was probably not wanting to spend the remainder of his time in this country in prison. In fact, I'd be prepared to bet that he didn't think to himself: 'Hey, I fancy staying I. The UK for, what ...? How about 12 months longer? But I want to stay in prison during that time and get deported afterwards. Isn't that such a great idea?'

In other words, your continued pretence that he is somehow being rewarded for the crime he committed with exactly what he wanted is plain stupid. And apparently devoid of a fairly basic understanding of the situation.

Correct.

He is still however an illegal immigrant. Instead of deporting and blacklisting him for future VISA applications, we have thrown him in prison for 12 months where the UK tax payer will pay for him. He might be in a cell 22 hours a day or he might have a Wii, PS3 and XBOX 360 who knows, the point is we are paying to house an illegal immigrant who is taking up a prision spot that could be used elsewhere (as could the taxpayers money).

With all the talk at the minute about border control and the amount of illegal immigrants we go and keep one here. Just can't get my head round it.

I suggest you get it examined then.

No he isn't. He was caught [iattempting to become one[/i. He is now a prisoner. At no point was he actually an illegal immigrant as far as I can tell.


We've imprisoned him [iprior[/i to deporting him. This isn't the same as 'housing an illegal immigrant' at all - not least because he doesn't appear to have been illegal at the time of the sham wedding.


We're not keeping an illegal immigrant here at all. We've imprisoned a foreign national for breaking a UK law in the UK. Once his sentence is completed we'll deport him. It really isn't difficult, and the fact that even the Sun isn't making a fuss over it should show how straightforward it is.

If somebody breaks our law we have a moral responsibility to ensure that that individual is treated by our legal system which includes the housing of him. Sending a person to another country allows us to wash our hands of the problem and that's not how we should be seeing justice in any country never mind our own.