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I'm pretty sure there was a skill to FIFA97 when I was younger, I just don't seem to have it any more!

You are getting older.

Look, I get my assed whopped constantly at modern fifa by my brother. I need to kick his ass on a proper game.

On a side note, Super Hang On was a fricken top game!

I can understand playing retro games to a point. For me it's about 5 minutes of 'oh I remember this' and having flashbacks, but then I realise how shallow and poor the games were in those days. FIFA isn't however a retro game you can claim ever had any sort of quality to it, it was terrible right up until FIFA 09. Wasn't FIFA 97 the isometric one where you could score everytime just by approaching from a certain angle or by pinballing it about?

I think part of the fun is that game design has changed so much, games aren't designed these days to be played over and over again, and completing a game nowadays is no longer restricted to the Elite. Games back then were made to be challenging and playable OVER and OVER again. But then games had to fit within 16 Kilobytes rather than 52,428,800 Kilobytes. Remember Bill Gates... "640Kb should be enough for anyone..."

Also gone are the high score tables... so how do you determine who's better at a game than someone else? Trophies? There's only so many you can get, how do you differentiate 2 Platinum players? I wouldn't say I'm exactly the greatest in the world, but I've got 2 Platinums to my name, more than most of my friends list. Besides, a lot of trophy awards are for silly things like "Pet all the Yaks in the village", or "Win a match wearing the Fez", or "Perform a Quirkafleeg".

Another thought... if Gamesmaster was to come back, what modern game "challenges" could they have to win the Golden Joysticks?

I dunno. Xbox Live handles leaderboards and scoreboards very well. I've spent many a moon smashing chunks out of the controller because of Onewild and Wadski and their Trials HD scores and most games compare your performance with your friends and the wider community.

I agree entirely on the difficulty thing. There isn't a game these days that it isn't possible to complete. I suppose that is because they are more cinematic these days and you would be unlikely to buy another game in the series if you couldn't finish the previous one. But it does spoil games like Red Dead Redemption where it's impossible to fail.

Deus Ex in the post and should be here tomorrow. Can't wait.

Honest appraisals on here please. Every review I've read has given it a mega score, but every review I've read has spent 75% of it reminiscing about the PC original.

Finished Catherine last night, really enjoyed it. Considering how it is a puzzle game with a few bells & whistles on it, it is quite easily one of the most polished, well produced and satisfying puzzle games I've ever played.
Great storyline, great characters, great gameplay too. And eight different endings! Plenty still to see after one playthrough.

What's Catherine ?

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Can't remember if I posted this before but does anyone remember MASHED? The top down racing game (like micro machines but better) Well a sequel is on its way! This was one of the best Multiplayer games of the PS2/Xbox generation. Great game to play with your mates (up there with Timesplitters 2).

It's a PSN/XBLA game and its due out in a few months, anyone else remember it?

Downloaded Pro Evo 12 demo last night. Will let you know what its like when I have a go tonight!

Fifa 97, where you could slide tackle the keeper as he took a kick out of his hands and score



Also, the indoor games were quality! Well maybe not quality, good fun.

I've just ordered FIFA International Soccer for the sheer thrill of running away from the referee.

And Cool Spot. I used to love that game.

Microsoft soccer was great (Think it was on the amiga, but could have been earlier than that!!)

Banana shots where crazy, with a strong wind you could get the ball to smack you on the back of your player.

Was it not the PC? I remember having it on an old PC circa 1996?

The football genre is one where I miss the other efforts. Everyone has now given up because of FIFA's market dominance, well other than Pro Evo and that's been terrible since the PS2 days.

Could have been on PC as well, but at the time i did not have one.

Could have even been on the C64!!

Who is it off here who has changed their Xbox Live gamertag to 'ImRdy2Fk'?

My Mrs walks past when I'm playing on the Xbox the other night and was rather puzzled as to why such words were appearing on the screen.

Is it you, trying to drop a subtle hint?



Don't know about that one, but I DO remember a demo of Empire Soccer on the Amiga, which may have changed its name at release. It was a side-on view, and kicking the ball into the back of a player would knock them over, as you could with the photographers which were situated at the sides of the goals.

I would suggest though, if it was on the Amiga, was it more likely to have been "Microprose" soccer? I could be wrong, I'm no expert on football games, but I'm not sure Microsoft ever developed a football game, or anything for the Amiga.

Thoughts?

I'm not too keen on the off the ball movement feature. Perhaps controlling two players at the same is too much for my brain to take!
I'm going to try the fifa 12 demo and hope that it impresses me. Fifa is just so far in front of pes now it's untrue, but I just can't seem to get into the fifa style of play and the game engine they use.

I've been a loyal pes fan ever since the iss pro games back on the ps1, but this year may be the year when I finally switch over to fifa instead.

While we are one great football games, FIFA have never topped the Road to World Cup '98. I had it on the PC. No football game has ever topped that for longevity!

With Des Lynam! I remember that game being really easy.