Quote ="The Ghost of '99"A long read, but a line-by-line explanation of what the future holds - and yes Brexiteers, the world of international trade is a complicated place; simplistic soundbites and 2 second understandings from a white nationalist post you read on Facebook don't help in the real world: https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2020/0 ... son-s-trad'" Ah yes, the unbiased bremainer who is happy to appear on Al Jazeera. He has a long history of peddling opinion dressed up as fact. Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr Ian Dunt.

Quote ="The Ghost of '99"A long read, but a line-by-line explanation of what the future holds - and yes Brexiteers, the world of international trade is a complicated place; simplistic soundbites and 2 second understandings from a white nationalist post you read on Facebook don't help in the real world: https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2020/0 ... son-s-trad'" Ah yes, the unbiased bremainer who is happy to appear on Al Jazeera. He has a long history of peddling opinion dressed up as fact. Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr Ian Dunt.

Tell us more about your detailed understanding of trade and the points of detail where you differ from his analysis.

You'll be waiting a long time...

I tend to find I have better things to do with my time than discuss with left wing socialists who peddle politics of envy and anti progress and democracy, it is nice you guys have a place to play pretend, enjoy.

So what you're saying is you've got nothing to offer other than that right wing trope of questioning the patriotism of people who challenge your, let's be honest, somewhat simplistic views.

I'd ask you though, since you lazily brought it up, who or what do you think we're envious of (I assume I fall into the 'left wing socialists' bucket which seems to be anyone from John Major on left)?

Only 6 days to go until NHS funding increases by £350 million a week

oh dear, just, oh dear.

How much does it cost to trigger millions of Remainers?

50p, it would seem.

The right wing appear not to like to to provide answers much like Johnson.

As you've seen above, the right are all about triggering remainers and winding up liberals.

I think the government have actually missed a trick with that Brexit 50p. They should have issued it as a new denomination, maybe 60p, to cover for the fall in value of the pound on Friday.

Remoaners making up news....

So you believe Johnson when he says no additional paperwork or checks for goods between Britain, NI and Eire or was he just making it up.

We'll find out, you know, once it has happened. All these doom mongers talking about what they think might possibly maybe happen...

Aye, there’s no point in discussing an unknowable future.

And the past is gone, there’s nothing we can do about it - we just have to get over it and move on.

The present is so fleeting it is barely worth mentioning.

Nothing exists and therefore nothing matters. That’d look nice on a coin, if coins existed.

I like that.
However, the pound is creeping up in value against the Euro so, maybe it should have been a 47p coin, which would make it harder for all those nasty foreigners to work out.
I woner when our "star" gets removed from the EU flag and whether we will get the bill

You miss my point,
There is every point discussing the possibilities of an unknowable future, so long as all sides accept that we are discussing the UNKNOWABLE and refrain from passing opinion as fact. Indeed, the past is gone, but we should learn from it, either repeating things that were successful or avoiding the repeat of mistakes. The present is fleeting, and priceless, in our present we are creating our yesterdays and shaping our futures, NOW is the most important time we have.

A lot of things exist, if only as theories. I read yesterday that Einstein's theory of Relativity is being challenged, again, like this is a bad thing. Some people forget that theories are offered to promote debate, not preached as fact.

So. in theory, leaving the EU, to me, is going to work out. I never thought it would but seeing the way the EU (NOT EUROPE) is behaving makes me believe we are better off out of it. The EU (NOT EUROPE) are demanding fishing rights and the ECJ having a say, that isn't what the majority were expecting.

The EU (NOT EUROPE) isn't really the EU at all, it is Germany, France and to some extent, Italy, who are making it as tough as possible.They are petrified that a successul exit from the EU for the UK will encourage other EU members (or their electorate) to want the same.

Interesting points.

I don’t really see the behaviour of the EU being surprising, and I don’t see how they can be blamed for the unrealistic expectations of an (about to be) third country.

The EU can’t demand access to UK waters for fishing or a role the ECJ. But conversely, the UK can’t demand unfettered access to EU markets for the fish it catches (or its financial services). They all become tradeables in the negotiation.

While I can see that these ‘unexpected challenges’ might make you less well-disposed to the EU, I don’t understand why they make you more confident it will work out well.

I agree there’s a strong incentive for the EU to ensure that Brexit isn’t a roaring success that leads to a rush for the exits, leading to its disintegration. Equally, they don’t want it to be catastrophic, as they don’t want the blowback. None of which is surprising.

Surprise surprise Farage will keep his money cow the Brexit party going. The way it was formulated was to have the members contribute financially but have no say in how it was run or it’s policies.

Grimsby which voted for Brexit now wants to be exempt from the consequences https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news ... TfyfLnqMAg As you sow, so shall you reap ! The reality of Brexit will soon start hitting home and it will be the working class that pay. Do they really think that. When it comes to a choice between the city or Britain’s fishing industry the Tories will protect fisher men.

Grimsby which voted for Brexit now wants to be exempt from the consequences https://www.grimsbytelegraph.co.uk/news ... TfyfLnqMAg As you sow, so shall you reap ! The reality of Brexit will soon start hitting home and it will be the working class that pay. Do they really think that. When it comes to a choice between the city or Britain’s fishing industry the Tories will protect fisher men.

Listen. I voted remain. But despite what all the people in this thread think and what they post on here as fact, no one knows what will happen and it’s hilarious watching people write stuff on here like it’s fact. If they could predict with certainty, the stuff they put on here they would be very rich people

The EU are demanding fishing rights because the fishing industry in EU countries fishes in those waters and so as their representatives in a trade negotiation they are demanding it.

Same as the US are demanding that the UK lowers its food standards, so that their agrifood companies can sell things in to the UK market that are currently not allowed.

This is what happens in trade negotiations. The UK will be demanding things from the EU as well - particularly around banking and financial services and access to EU markets there. Things will be traded off.

The interesting part about fishing rights for me isn't that the EU were demanding it, that was always going to be the case. It's whether the UK will use fishing as a concession to get something they want. If it comes to trading off the interests of fishermen v bankers, who will Boris prioritise?

If you look at the fishing industry, those catching want to extend the no fishing limit to 12 miles to keep all others out but those that buy and sell their fish want free access to the EU who buy the majority.
We also fish in French waters so I guess we will not be doing so after December.

Fishing has always been a contentious subject.
As things were, the quotas would be abused by having owners of trawling fleets registering in the country where they stood to gain the most.
Where the fish are caught and where they are landed are two completely different things - it's far from straightforward.

As for ANY industry wanting special dispensation







Everything is now being tosses in to the negotiating pot and whilst we are sure to have some priorities and some red lines, ultimately, it's all about getting what is deemed the best overall deal but, necessarily, there will be winners and losers.
Mind you, the words uttered by the EU regarding the relative size of the UK vs the size of the EU does mean that we are David vs their Goliath.
Catapults at the ready

Bet your glad you went with Stephen Curry instead of Kobe Bryant for your new nick