Young earth creationists usually claim that the water is still here and that the earths topography changed during the flood. The problem with this for creationists is the kind of geological events needed to create mountains and hills etc require millions of years to occur.

Creationists claim that the events required to create such geological features occured in a reltively short period of time during the flood however such events would create so much energy that the oceans would boiled into space and all life on earth would as a result become extinct including Noah and his fellow passengers.

We can only conclude that either the global flood did not occur or that we are not really here and this thread isn't happening.

..and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on the mountains of Ararat and yeah though all was sopping wet God did send Noah this link:
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I once asked a religious buffoon I worked with how did the ark fit all of the millions of different species of animal, insect, etc on the ark, I was going to follow it up with why didn't they eat one another until he said "it was REALLY big" I didn't bother with the follow up.

That's maybe one for the question thread but

How big would an Ark have to be to hold 2 of each known living thing right this minute?

REALLY big



Nobody knows, nobody knows how many different species they are.

Just the known species, forget the undiscovered

The Genesis Ark...bigger on the inside

that's Time Lord technology.

It's estimated that there are 8.7 million species on earth, so it creates a large problem for creationists. Often creationists claim that arthropods and other similar creatures etc were not on the ark which will have saved some room, however it is never fully exlplained how such creatures could have survived.

Creationists also regularly claim that it was not two of every species but rather two of every "kind" and they narrow this down to around 16,000 "kinds" of animal which were on the ark, ho wever creationists have been unable to provide a robust biological definition of the term "kinds". This claim also supposes that all of the species ( not including species of fish, insects etc) we have today evolved from these 16,000 kinds in a mere 4,000 years, which is hilarious given that these same individuals reject the evolution of humans and chimps from a common ancestor which existed around 7 million years ago.

My views?

The same as most people, a very tragic affair.

The Bible tells us that real Christians do not fall away from God.

The problem with this type of question - and I loathe to resort to what some would label a Goddidit answer - us that it requires the supreme creator of the universe to be bound by the physical world.

If you can get your head around God creating the world, it is not hard at all to imagine an omnipotent deity solving such conundrums.

If you to play with that sort of logic, then the same god created the world to include the worm that eats a child's eye.

Of course, being god, he could have created the world so that no such thing existed. But then again, your god is a murdering, cruel one.

That your nasty smug arrogance is based on a story book doesn't make it any less nasty or smug.

Imagine in say year 4012 what people will be saying about L. Ron Hubbard

You really are an arrogant schmuck.

What on earth do you think gives you a right to claim intimate knowledge of the religious experience of someone else you've only encountered via an internet message board?

Come on people, only another 1 and a bit pages to go and this crap gets locked

someone tried to recruit me for Scientology last week, it was the strangest conversation i've ever had.

That is just how religion starts. One bloke says 'we shouldn't live like that, we should live like that'.

Scientology could become the largest religion in the world in 2000 years for all we know.

It won't, they'll all be slaughtered by then.

Might not stop a certain poster starting another thread though ...

It will be me in line with my new churches thinking.

"How swearing is the most evil sin."

I'm recruiting now.

Don't say or bugger!

Is that how they tried to recruit you ?

Don't say bugger, but you can bugger all the altar boys you can get your hands on.

The Scientology nut case tried to get me by telling me, in a pub on a friday night, that I was a ing idiot and I'd only get better by giving his church money.

Now i'm not denying that he's a good judge of character but i'm skint.

That's buggered my loving chances of redemption!