The panic surrounding Brexit is simply inane. At the end of the day the UK will sink or swim on its own merits and by selling goods / services the rest of the world wants to buy. Being in or out of the EU will make no difference to that. Arguably we are better placed out, especially as we were not members of the Eurozone and therefore had virtually no influence inside the EU.

You may be right but, unless you have a crystal ball (something which the UK government could do with) and can tell people what is likely to happen with the imports and exports to and from the EU and can guarantee the status of the millions of citizens who will be directly affected by whatever decision is finally agreed, your statement is just on of pure optimism, without anything to back it up.
I keep hoping to win the lottery but, it hasn't happened yet.

Of course, longre term, say 10 years down the line, we will all have found a new level and status within the world but, NOBODY can say whether this will be vetter or worse than it is now.

Well, at least Ian Brady is cheesed off with the High Court ruling. (There's some top folk advocating Brexit aren't there)

=#0000FFMurderer Brady also made a shocking attack on the High Court’s ruling that the British Government must get Parliament's approval before proceeding with Brexit talks.

He wrote: “Those three public school judges who dredged up a law from the seventeenth century to obstruct the people's vote for Brexit, additionally exemplify the corrupt establishment, and the myth of a politically independent judiciary.”

Every cloud and all that - except for a mushroom cloud of course.

The red bus was nothing to do with Farage and you will have to wait for the good news until after we have left as we are stuck with the crumbling union until then.

[url=http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-referendum-nigel-farage-nhs-350-million-pounds-live-health-service-u-turn-a7102831.htmlVideo evidence emerges of Nigel Farage pledging EU millions for NHS weeks before Brexit vote[/url

What is British that overseas markets are clamouring for? This means British owned, controlled and taxed here.

Oh, go on, give us just a small clue,
After all we have been promised unlimited prosperity, once we are free from the evil that is the EU.

We have?

Unlimited prosperity?

Who by?

Go on, admit you made that up.

You got me



But anything goes in the new world order.
I should have said that we'd be better off and there is very little evidence of this coming from anywhere.

Even before article 50 is activated, we will see rising inflation, increased borrowing and suppressed wages, not to mention the least well off having the life squeezed out of them.

Meanwhile the Euro continues to fall, the EZ banking system is creaking, migrants are running amok in Germany and Scandinavia, the EU can't make a decision on any of the major events that are reshaping Europe (and potentially destroying Europe's peace an wealth) but you still think the EU is a panacea for all the UKs problems. I will predict now that the second out (if not the first the way we are going on) will be GERMANY. Then the whole continent is in trouble.

IF Germany pulls out of the EU, it will effectively cease to exist and in this situation Farage could become known as "the prophet Farage" and then, clearly, the UK would have made totally the right decision.
As I've mentioned previously, for me, it's the trading aspect of the EU plus, any security issues, that are it's strongest attributes.
The free movement needs/needed changing as it is no longer working to plan.

Free movement is only not working to plan in that more Southern Europeans have not moved to Northern Europe. That was always the safety valve against economic downturn in specific regions and always the inherent weakness of the whole EU project.

I think it's more to do with numbers.
Back in the day (when the EU was a mere 7 nations), free movement was a non issue and merely allowed small numbers of people to visit and work in other parts of Europe (apart from the Brits "invading" Spain

).
However, with the far more severe disparity in wealth between some of the member nations, there are greater numbers wanting to move, to help improve their life chances.
The principle is great, if it means the opportunity to work and live in a different country, which should have mutual benefits for all parties but, an exodus from any country is clearly not helpful and therefore some different controls need to be put in place.

Like Lithuania ?

You appear to misunderstand. Free movement is fundamental to the principles of the EU, both economic and political. The logic of it is however that one day everybody will be crammed into Germany and perhaps a couple of major non-Germanic cities, leaving the rest of Europe as backwaters. That process has been underway and it is why the UK long-term must be better off out, as would be just about everywhere everywhere else.

You're funny

It's true though, which ain't funny. Let's look at how peripheral areas are doing - Italy - broke, Greece - broke, Spain - broke; Portugal - broke; UK - wealth increasingly concentrated in London and other regions increasingly impoverished; France - Paris hanging on but everywhere else broke. We could go on but you see the point?

I partly agree with your sentiment about Germany wanting to be the driving force (and most powerful nation) within the EU.
But, to say thay they wish to take on the population of the EU was just funny.
Their aim, with France trying to hang on to Germany's coat tails, was to achieve more power and influence by having monetary dominance and to have the strongest economy, which they have had for some time.
The interesting part comes when, this actually happens.
If you look at Italy, Greece, Porugal and Spain, Italy and Greece have been basket cases for as long as I can remember and they probably thought that inclusion in the Eurozone and taking on the Euro, would protect them and allow them to prosper.
However, their reluctance to sort out their tax regulations and run their countries "properley" has left them "hanging on", just as they always were.

But how is leaving the E.U. going to change this?

The only time a bit of cash is spent "Up North" it's via E.U. grants.

Love the notion of migrants running amok in Germany b.t.w.

The EU destroys small business in favour of big, via regulatory costs. Even in the SE so many local economies have faded in favour of London's big businesses.
The current EU emphasis of the UK makes the SE corner and Eastern seaports more wealthy at the expenses of the N and W (a process which has been clear since EUmembership).
EU subsidies are simply a partial recycling of the UKs own money. Politicians will no longer be able to hide behind the EU being the causes of our ills (a stance which caused them to lose the referendum!) but actually take responsibility for their own country and trying to assist in stimulating regional economies. A start would be to equalise infrastructure spending.

Bloody hell Nigel, you are clutching at straws on this one.
Small businesses have been the major boost to the UK economy since the Banking crisis and they are the primary reason for the current jobs growth in the UK.
There is a major risk, that would have a massive effect on London's influence and that is, IF the EU wishes to move a hefty slice of its financial services away from the UK.
After all, it will have a responsibility to it's member nations and wont give a tinkers toss about the UK.
In fact, there are some parties in the EU that will take great pleasure in damaging the country that has put the skids under the Euro zone.

Are you really of the opinion that the monies currently doled out by the E.U. will be distributed fairly throughout the Kingdom once the "Westminster Gang" get their grubby hands on it?

Personally I don't think they'll give a tinker's cuss.

Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"Are you really of the opinion that the monies currently doled out by the E.U. will be distributed fairly throughout the Kingdom once the "Westminster Gang" get their grubby hands on it? Personally I don't think they'll give a tinker's cuss.'" He's living in la la land isn't he. The cronies in Westminster could already be distributing funds fairly and evenly now & in the past - why on Earth would their attitudes change once the EU funding stops? Utter nonsense. Looking at the funds Westminster controls already and it's likely to get far worse for many areas. Council funding? Infrastructure? Flood defences? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38343063 Austerity Cuts? Yeh but if we leave the EU the pricks running the country will suddenly make everything fair and nice

Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"Are you really of the opinion that the monies currently doled out by the E.U. will be distributed fairly throughout the Kingdom once the "Westminster Gang" get their grubby hands on it? Personally I don't think they'll give a tinker's cuss.'" He's living in la la land isn't he. The cronies in Westminster could already be distributing funds fairly and evenly now & in the past - why on Earth would their attitudes change once the EU funding stops? Utter nonsense. Looking at the funds Westminster controls already and it's likely to get far worse for many areas. Council funding? Infrastructure? Flood defences? www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-38343063 Austerity Cuts? Yeh but if we leave the EU the pricks running the country will suddenly make everything fair and nice

Have you got anything a little older we could look at?

So, DGM so are trying to correct this huge imbalance hey? That's unfair is it? www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters ... endin.html

So, DGM so are trying to correct this huge imbalance hey? That's unfair is it? www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/thereporters ... endin.html