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| Quote ="Ajw71"Priceless isn't it.
A bigot it someone who is intolerant of other peoples views. There is a lot of intolerance towards the views of religious people on this thread. So the people who are calling others bigots are actually bigots themselves.
Extremists too. Hating every essence of religion is an extreme viewpoint.
Extremist bigots.'"
People have not been intolerent of religious people on this thread. People have however challenged the bigotry of Kirkstaller. I have not seen anybody express the notion that religious viewpoints should be banned or restricted in any way in this thread. Challenging another persons bigotry does not make someone a bigot.
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| Quote ="Ajw71"A bigot it someone who is intolerant of other peoples views.'"
You know, I've visited several dictionary sites and none have that definition.
Maybe you English GCSE isn't as good as you thought it was.
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Except that is not what they say, is is.
Merriam says - a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
The other one says - One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Asking someone to back up their views with facts and evidence is not bigoted.
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Except that is not what they say, is is.
Merriam says - a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
The other one says - One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.
Asking someone to back up their views with facts and evidence is not bigoted.
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| And one who has no religion, who regards them all as equally ridiculous, can hardly be said to be 'strongly partial' to their own religion.
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"You know, I've visited several dictionary sites and none have that definition.
Maybe you English GCSE isn't as good as you thought it was.'"
I believe that the Concise OED does.
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"You know, I've visited several dictionary sites and none have that definition.
Maybe you English GCSE isn't as good as you thought it was.'"
I believe that the Concise OED does.
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| Quote ="Dally"I believe that the Concise OED does.'"
You will of course be able to provide a link then?
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www.thefreedictionary.com/bigot
"a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race"
So I was spot on when I said...
"A bigot it someone who is intolerant of other peoples views"
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www.thefreedictionary.com/bigot
"a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his or her own, esp on religion, politics, or race"
So I was spot on when I said...
"A bigot it someone who is intolerant of other peoples views"
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| Quote ="Ajw71""A bigot it someone who is intolerant of other peoples views"'"
Which is not its common meaning today, although you are a champion at splitting hairs aren't you, are you defending the PO's views?
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| Quote ="Big Graeme"Quote ="Dally"I believe that the Concise OED does.'"
You will of course be able to provide a link then?'"
It's off-site.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"It's off-site.'"
And not the Daily Mail.
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| Whatever your definition of bigot, the vast majority of intolerance on this thread stems from the disgusting homophobic tone set by the op.
I for one am not intolerant of religion, but will not allow some of the reactionary and dangerous beliefs espoused and championed by many religions to go unchallenged.
If my intolerance of gay-bashing makes me a bigot then I plead guilty to bigotry on a grand scale.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"It's off-site.'"
It's upstairs.
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| I am not a bigot, but I do like bigos.
Meanwhile can I remind kirkstaller that he's forgotten (again) to answer any of the questions I put? Just so he doesn't have to go too far back in the thread?
Oh, and love the "bigot" straw man. Fantastic. Sadly though, back on this planet, a bigot is indeed a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his own. However, only an utter idiot, or a troll, would extract from that the proposition that unless I am tolerant of EVERY idea other than my own, I am a bigot. That really is bat loony crazy howling barking mad.
So then, would I be a bigot because I was intolerant of Hitler's views on genocide?
I am very intolerant of those who view paedophilia as a desirable activity. Does that make me a bigot?
I really do wonder whether English is the first language of some of these nutters.
FFS.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"I am not a bigot, but I do like bigos.
Meanwhile can I remind kirkstaller that he's forgotten (again) to answer any of the questions I put? Just so he doesn't have to go too far back in the thread?
Oh, and love the "bigot" straw man. Fantastic. Sadly though, back on this planet, a bigot is indeed a person who is intolerant of any ideas other than his own. However, only an utter idiot, or a troll, would extract from that the proposition that unless I am tolerant of EVERY idea other than my own, I am a bigot. That really is bat loony crazy howling barking mad.
So then, would I be a bigot because I was intolerant of Hitler's views on genocide?
I am very intolerant of those who view paedophilia as a desirable activity. Does that make me a bigot?
I really do wonder whether English is the first language of some of these nutters.
FFS.'"
Quote ="Ajw71 & Dally"Que?'"
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"What a poor tactic. What you do is ignore every question, and you hope it will be submerged and your swerve not noticed, or forgotten.
Now, and for the second time, you innocently ask "What questions"?
As if you didn't know.
They are those questions that YOU READ when I posted them, and consciously decided it was best to swerve. Those questions.
And now you have an even more pathetic swerve, you no doubt "can't be be bothered" or "haven't the time" to look back in the thread for them.
You've been rumbled, pal. There is only ONE reason you have not answered and that is the questions defeat you so you choose to pretend they never happened. Well done.'"
I'm afraid I'm not going to trawl through ~90 pages of debate to find your questions. I apologise for not addressing them the first time around, although the fact I didn't respond causes me to believe they were the same as questions asked by other posters.
If you really want specific questions answering then I suggest you repeat them here in plain English and I will respond by COP tomorrow.
Quote Er, or else god never did intercede in any of the OT fairytales, and the reason we never see god interceding nowadays is not because he's (for reasons you don't explain) changed his rather erratic game plan, but because he doesn't exist. '"
God doesn't intercede now because he has addressed the problem of sin by sending his son Jesus Christ.
Quote You are quite correct in that he has not intervened since the OT. All you need to get your head around now is that he never did during OT times either, and as Occam would explain why that is.'"
Your unequivocal loyalty to such a razor is your downfall. You will no doubt be well aware of the many times Occam has got things wrong.
Quote This is in need of explanation. God doesn't intervene. But in your case, he did, to the extent of a one-to-one chat with JC, which is why you are where you are. You need to explain how that is not "intervention". Or did he decide never to interfere with the rest of humanity, but made a single exception in your case?'"
This is not intervention. He has not materially changed the world like he did in the OT. I'm surprised that such an 'enlightened' person can't see the difference between world-changing acts such as sending a plague of locusts and flooding the world, and his contribution to a fruitful spiritual relationship with one of his followers.
Quote Can i just point out to kirkstaller and his apologists and others objecting to one sided name calling that this here is kirkstaller calling tb "CRAZY". Not very Christian, IMHO.'"
Can you develop that point please? Why is call someone crazy un-Christian?
Quote Explain that to me. You are saying that you sought a relationship with JC, and so he popped round? I would suggest that your god or his son personally visiting one of his sinners is the clearest intervention in human affairs there could be. How is personally meeting a deity, and thus knowing, as opposed to believeing, they exist, not intervention?'"
It is not intervening because the world has not been materially changed.
Do you realise how much you sound like a child screaming "it's not fair, it's not fair, why didn't God visit [ime[/i???"
If you are open to such a relationship then it will happen.
Quote Until I was in my early teens I had been brainwashed into all this religious bull and so was a firm believer. Why did JC pass up on the opportunity of popping round to mine, then, while he had the chance? (Knowing in advance, as he does, that if he did. I would forever be saved, but if he didn't, I was a goner? Not very fair that. Why did he choose to intervene to save your bigoted ass but leave me to rot in hell?'"
I don't believe you were a firm believer.
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| Quote ="kirkstaller"
I don't believe you were a firm believer.'"
And what gives you the right to judge? You really are quite totally arrogant aren't you.
While the rest of us have reason and argument, 'belief' is all you got in your little bubble of existence, insulated from all things empirical, logical or scientific.
If you weren't such a smug self-righteous and downright condescending git I'd feel sorry for you.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Views on suicide?'"
other than kirkstaller might want to try it?, so he can meet his god early and be warm and comfy sitting on a cloud playing a harp, I mean, he's surely got to be right up there for membership of the inner circle, having already met the top guy once before?
it's a bit like the mafia, only less tolerant and more violent, the protection racket they've created worlwide has to be marvelled at.
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| We might have covered this earlier kirkstaller, but just on the flood. You clearly believe that this took place and the whole World was flooded. If this was the case, why is there no physical evidence?
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| God knows some pretty good cleaners?
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"God knows.'"
No doubt, luckily we have kirkstaller as his conduit to avoid any confusion.
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| Quote ="Sandra The Terrorist"We might have covered this earlier kirkstaller, but just on the flood. You clearly believe that this took place and the whole World was flooded. If this was the case, why is there no physical evidence?'"
...and where did all the water go ?
Maybe God spun the earth around really fast like a spin dryer and the water was flung off into outer space to eventually land on other planets and start new life forms there, do those life forms know what created them and who their creator is - could this be the ideal job for Kirkstaller ?
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