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| Quote ="SaintsFan"The IRA and Al Quaeda are not religions, they are terrorist groups.'"
The point is that the actions of the IRA didn't cause people to attack Catholic churches, so why should the actions of Al Qaeda cause people to attack mosques?
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I think you need to take your patronising tone and stick it up your backside, actually ...'"
Irony alert.
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| Quote ="Chris28"I don't recall Catholic churches being attacked when the IRA were setting bombs off in London/Warrington etc. Maybe this lot have got the wrong end of the stick'"
Thinking? That would involve having more than two braincells
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"The IRA and Al Quaeda are not religions, they are terrorist groups.'"
Quite so.
And that is the feckin point.
If you didn't blame Catholicism for the dreadful acts of the IRA, why blame Islam in general for the acts of Al Quaeda or other extremists?
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Quite so.
And that is the feckin point.
If you didn't blame Catholicism for the dreadful acts of the IRA, why blame Islam in general for the acts of Al Quaeda or other extremists?'"
Where am I blaming Islam for the actions of extremists? I'm doing quite the opposite. I'm not even blaming government policy (as someone else was). I'm blaming the terrorists. Only the terrorists are to blame for acts of terrorism, regardless of the cause they identify with.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"The IRA and Al Quaeda are not religions, they are terrorist groups.'"
Good. So no justification for bricking a mosque then.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"The point is that the actions of the IRA didn't cause people to attack Catholic churches, so why should the actions of Al Qaeda cause people to attack mosques?'"
I doubt very much that Catholic churches went completely unscathed in Northern Ireland throughout the troubles. They may have done but I would be very surprised. However, I would have to read up a detailed history of events to find out whether they were attacked as I didn't live in Northern Ireland.
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| Quote ="Chris28"Good. So no justification for bricking a mosque then.'"
I didn't say there was.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I doubt very much that Catholic churches went completely unscathed in Northern Ireland throughout the troubles. They may have done but I would be very surprised. However, I would have to read up a detailed history of events to find out whether they were attacked as I didn't live in Northern Ireland.'"
I'm not talking about churches in NI. Churches in England weren't attacked in response to terrorist acts on the mainland.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"I didn't say there was.'"
I know, but you seemed to be missing the point that was being made about Al Qaeda and Islam
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| Quote ="Rock God X"I'm not talking about churches in NI. Churches in England weren't attacked in response to terrorist acts on the mainland.'"
No, but that is because in England the IRA was largely seen as a nationalist organisation and not a religious one.
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| Quote ="Chris28"I know, but you seemed to be missing the point that was being made about Al Qaeda and Islam'"
Then maybe you could rephrase the point?
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| Quote ="Dally"Well, Essex man was first to reject Labour and turn to Thatcher for the sake of the country. Maybe Essex man could be the saviour of the UK again?'"
This reads like a justification for attacking that mosque.
Please tell me it isn't.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Then maybe you could rephrase the point?'"
Maybe you could read the thread properly and not jump into a point before you know what is being discussed?
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Maybe you could read the thread properly and not jump into a point before you know what is being discussed?'"
Maybe you could stop being so defensive and rude?
I thought I [ihad[/i understood the point. If I haven't, then it's up to the person making the point to rephrase it so that I [ican[/i understand it.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"No, but that is because in England the IRA was largely seen as a nationalist organisation and not a religious one.'"
Either that or the racist scumbags in the EDL (or its equivalent) could separate the IRA from all Catholics in a way they are unable to separate Al Qaeda from all Muslims.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Either that or the racist scumbags in the EDL (or its equivalent) could separate the IRA from all Catholics in a way they are unable to separate Al Qaeda from all Muslims.'"
I don't think the EDL existed back in the day of IRA activity but I'm sure there were similar although I don't ever remember hearing mention of them (mind you there wasn't a 24 hour news service back then either or social networking sites so I'm sure we were a lot less informed generally).
The actions or remit of the EDL cannot be justified. Sadly, alas, it is the way of some forms of humanity to misdirect their anger.
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| Quote ="Chris28"Its Wikipedia, but the first sentence [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_the_United_Kingdomhere[/url would suggest otherwise.'"
How many Muslims were there in the UK in 1707? How many when I was a kid even?
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"You need to read a bit of history.
You also need to recognise that mainstream Islam in the UK has condemned this dreadful attack.'"
What percentage odf the UK population were practicising Muslims in 1700? 1800? 1900? 1960?
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| Quote ="Rock God X"The point is that the actions of the IRA didn't cause people to attack Catholic churches, so why should the actions of Al Qaeda cause people to attack mosques?'"
Don't you read the news or even listen to muslim spokesmen on TV? Where do these youngsters get indoctrinated with this hate for the society they live in?
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"This reads like a justification for attacking that mosque.
Please tell me it isn't.'"
It isn't. The point I was making was that just perhaps it is an manifestation of a change in public attitudes that our politicians need to reflect.
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| Quote ="Dally"Don't you read the news or even listen to muslim spokesmen on TV? Where do these youngsters get indoctrinated with this hate for the society they live in?'"
I get my news from sources other than the Daily Mail.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"I get my news from sources other than the Daily Mail.'"
So not the left-wing BBC either then I see.
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| Quote ="SaintsFan"Maybe you could stop being so defensive and rude?
I thought I [ihad[/i understood the point. If I haven't, then it's up to the person making the point to rephrase it so that I [ican[/i understand it.'"
Er, no. It's up to you to re-read it and try to understand it.
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