I don't know, you try and share something with the wider RL 'family' which might be of interest and 'people' turn politically correct.

I'm sure the vast majority knew what I meant.

It just seemed a bit ' random ' lumped in with the RL stuff , no great problem

The way I see it WW1 was the most destructive war in history. It's results directly led to the second world war. It'd be wrong not to commemorate it. I think we all agree it's not to be celebrated - millions of lives thrown down the toilet for the want of some moral leadership.

In any case I wish Huddersfield the best of luck in their preparations. Should be a very interesting time. 80 tries in one season. I'm afraid I don't know the circumstances all that well but I can't imagine a scenario where that's not extraordinary.

why's that then mate ?

you don't 'celebrate' the beginning of a war that killed 20 million (at least) people but you do celebrate the memory of the fallen and the end of such a tragic and unnecessary waste of human life

or is that just me being completely moronic , or something ?

As ever, you're incapable of showing any semblance of pragmatism, humour or common sense. Moron.

dear oh dear Browny, you do get wound up easily nowadays

what's pragmatism got to do with it ? the idea is completely ridiculous, even you must agree with that and as for the idea being humorous...what's humourous about celebrating the beginning of a war ? unless of course point no.4 is included as a kind of joke ?

as for common sense, must be my frogginess coming out

yours moronically

Ivor, you could just substitute "commemorate" for "celebrate" and then you'd have none of the negative reactions to endure. I'm sure that 2014 will see plenty of commemorations of the start of WW1.

Like your two exhibits. Good luck with the project.

Jesus there are some right bells on here.

Gordon Bennett, you don't usually commemorate, celebrate, mark or do anything else to indicate the START of a war just show your due respect to the fallen to show that the war was fought ie.VE Day, VJ Day & 11th November etc etc

it's not a bad choice of words just a downright stupid idea - if this event is to remembered then maybe the 28th June each year should be the day the 'celebrations' kick-off (Sarajevo 1914 etc) ?

as for the first three points - great ideas and good luck with the venture

Out of curiosity, why is one not allowed to 'commemorate' or 'mark' the beginning of a war? How is it acceptable that you and you alone decide what others can or cannot commemorate? Does it not show due respect to those brave souls who decided to stand up & fight for their country and/or to help another ally in their time of need (albeit sometimes fruitlessly and under terrible command)? Would you deny those that feel respect is due to their forebears and all those unknown for showing the guts to do what they felt was right (again even if that was under many misconceptions and misrepresentation)?
Maybe it might help remind the kids of today how terrible war/death is not just in the lives lost but the social and intrinsic infrastructure costs for decades afterwards so they are able to grasp the magnitude of it and see the oft futility of war.

So whilst one can respect a personal viewpoint, you should respect others without retorting to using terms like 'Moron', it makes you look...well quite stupid, moronic and IMO disrespectful.

dave/ivor is trying to do something worthwhile and you get numpties pulling him to bits

Lol, how typically French to forget your own celebrations!!!
'La Fete Nationale' is hugely celebrated (see below), in case you had forgotten it is the spark that started what we know as the French Revolution, you know that little 10 year thing you had in your own backyard that had worldwide repercussions. Were you went from a Monarchy to a Republic in less than 3 years culminating in the execution of your king

among qho was among the circa 100,000 murderous deaths of fellow countrymen with a 'war' within your own nation.

Even the 'moronic' British/English don't celebrate our civil 'war'



So now tell me how the French don't celebrate not only wars but actually cold blooded murder?

quite right too!

you could do the same in the uk - line up the royals and the hundreds or thousands of hangers on and chop off their heads one by one starting with the Great Wally of China, Juglugs & Horseface - save 'Brenda' for last

and don't start moralising about civil strife when the blood of 200000 people (from a population of about 5 million !) from the Civil Wars aka Cromwell etc and not even to mention The Battle of the Boyne et al and I suppose the Northern Irish conflict with the thousands of murdered on the streets was just a minor skirmish ?

Please mate , do me a favour...

No one is denying the fact that these things happened. You just said it was strange to celebrate a war when in fact, the French and even the Americans celebrate wars.

you forgot the aussies (Gallipoli - ANZAC Day etc) and probably hundreds more throughout the world since time began

I still find it bizarre to celebrate te start of the Great War when the end is already marked so publically - sorry, it's only my opinion

because if you do not acknowledge/mark/remember the start of wars people only know about the end of the wars i.e The celebrations and then start thinking lets have another war so we can have a great celebration afterwards.

We need to remember the causes, the start, the events and then be thankful it ended to hopefully keep future wars to the minimum.

I find it bizarre that you are willing to "celebrate" the end of the great war when giving France the disputed Alsace-Lorraine territory and creating a de-militarised Rhineland negotiated in Paris and signed at Versaille was one of the major reasons Hitler came to power and WW2 started. By "celebrating" the victors lording it over the vanquished you are celebrating the start of WW2.

BTW, by victors I am referring to The Allies as i realise we are just as much to blame as France

I am doing you a favour, pointing out your obviously lacking memory of the country you are affiliated with.
As I said, we don't celebrate our civil 'war', or indeed any of the ones you mentioned, my point was that as a nation the French do in fact celebrate the biggest internal struggle that resulted in over a hundred thousand deaths, mostly cold blooded murders at that. You categorically stated the opposite hence why I posted the 'facts' about your own nation, just helping you mon ami

Hull FC (in conjunction with FC Voices the fans group) have organised a Heritage day to coincide with the National Heritage weekend, for two years now which I have been involved with.

We ask fans to bring along their memoribilia and put it on show for a day. This year we even had the great Arthur Bunting and Johnny Whiteley, OBE showing their "money can't buy" stuff.

The club contributed their own stuff, one invaluable item was the original shares book dating back to the late 1800's which is a fantastic piece of club history.

Hope this can help with ideas

Because they made masses of money?

German chemical companies such as BASF, Bayer and Hoechst created chemical weaponry and made masses of money
Arm manufacturers made masses of money
Various industrialists made masses of money

Independance day it might mean to some and indeed the wording says everything but the reality is it was a direct attack on the Monarchy and the focal point from whence mass murders took place on a scale not seen again until WWII with the culling of the Jews. Do the Germans 'celebrate' the murder of 6million as just a part of their wanting change against others?

As for India and the British Raj, I think you will find no one celebrates Cawnpore or Amritsar et al.

And you are massively out with regard to the Orange order, such a very few people even know about it never mind 'celebrate' it. A march by few hundred people just to annoy a few thousand people isn't a 'celebration' on a nationwide scale..I think you need to check your history sunshine

thanks for the history lesson mate - it's much appreciated

Quote ="sanjunien"thanks for the history lesson mate - it's much appreciated'" Another one that you probably don't need, as you'll be well aware of where WW2 started and which country arguably suffered most. "Only" 73 years, but the event is commemorated from the very top: www.president.pl/en/news/news/ar ... break.html

Quote ="sanjunien"thanks for the history lesson mate - it's much appreciated'" Another one that you probably don't need, as you'll be well aware of where WW2 started and which country arguably suffered most. "Only" 73 years, but the event is commemorated from the very top: www.president.pl/en/news/news/ar ... break.html

Quote ="BroncOnIon"Another one that you probably don't need, as you'll be well aware of where WW2 started and which country arguably suffered most. "Only" 73 years, but the event is commemorated from the very top: www.president.pl/en/news/news/ar ... break.html'" really interesting article, thanks for the link - the impact on the Polish nation is so meaningful obviously hence the commemoration (not "celebration') of that historic day by the same token then the uk (or maybe Hudds at least) equivalent regarding the outbreak of WW1 should be a commemorative day on june 28th - that specific date would then have some real meaning I suppose

Quote ="BroncOnIon"Another one that you probably don't need, as you'll be well aware of where WW2 started and which country arguably suffered most. "Only" 73 years, but the event is commemorated from the very top: www.president.pl/en/news/news/ar ... break.html'" really interesting article, thanks for the link - the impact on the Polish nation is so meaningful obviously hence the commemoration (not "celebration') of that historic day by the same token then the uk (or maybe Hudds at least) equivalent regarding the outbreak of WW1 should be a commemorative day on june 28th - that specific date would then have some real meaning I suppose