So are you saying:

"Maybe Clubb ain't completely in the wrong"

or are you saying

"I would be grateful if rugby league players could conduct themselves a lot better"

as the two don't correlate - unless by that you believe Savelio shouldn't even have raised it as an issue ???

Interestingly enough, there was a late night discussion programme on BBC a few nights ago where a black British gentleman was lambasting a high up lady in the BLM organisation. He was suggesting that the movement was stoking the flames between black & white in America then acting as a type of ambulance chasing protest group.
All very strange.

What an ignorant point of view expressed above by OO.
Absolutely buying in to an imagined culture war promoted by right wing commentators and politicians to 1/ try to deflect from the racism that still exists today 2/ to deflect attention away from the policies they are pushing through that will have a massive effect on working class people specifically and society as a whole.let’s support Boris protecting statues and ignore everything else he is doing.

BLM started as a protest about black people being killed by white police TODAY not hundred of years ago . Have you seen the videos.

No one is re writing history . The history is the same as it always was it is just that people want a broader view of the history that is told. Not the nice comforting history that we have been told but the uncomfortable history.

Did you see the news yesterday about Ballymurphy where British paratroopers shot dead 10 innocent people 5 months before they killed another 14 in Derry. An unarmed priest holding a white flag giving the last rites to a young man who was dying.

Let’s not talk about that let’s concentrate on Dunkirk and WW2

Those that ignore their history are doomed to repeat it .

Not least when you look at the queens speech yesterday. Introducing legislation that reduces citizens ability to vote, legislation that stops people protesting, legislation that reduces the courts ability to challenge government, introducing legislation that changes how we hold mayoral elections which makes them less democratic. ( There is only one other country in Europe that does not have some PR for elections and that is Belarus). Bringing in ID cards by the back door.
Everyone of those was done by Hitler but let’s not look at what happened in Germany pre 1939 let’s look at the Dunkirk spirit , the Battle of Britain , Vera lynn and waving the Union Jack.



Legislation that will allow the government to make huge cuts to access to the NHS by setting up systems that ration and slow down the provision of services by increasing pathways. (Anyone with an orthopaedic problem will know what I mean with things like the MSK pathway)

These are things you are forgetting about.

In 10 years time when you cannot get a knee replacement (unless you pay privately to jump up a waiting list) will you be saying in 2021 I fought to save a slave owners statue so I don’t mind the fact the NHS was sold out to American third party insurers.

You decide what is more important for you.

Your nostalgic rose tinted view of the world and history or have democracy , an NHS and a society worth living in of which you are proud.

Wakefield Trinity supported Franco?

That's an entirely false equivalence. The incidents you speak of either weren't in this country or appalling as they were in (1972), in no way compare to the sacrifice made to secure European civilisation, not once but twice. The same people who fought those wars created the greatest movement for social progress in the world (the Labour movement) leading to the establishment of the NHS you speak of.

Durham Giant -what a load of rubbish,

I want democracy which means freedom of speech without being shouted down,cancelled and so-on by fools who would suppress that.

Name me one thing that a ethnic person cannot do that I can in this brilliant country we all live in.

Live equally without prejudice and bias - unless of course, you deny that exists.

Which in many ways is the whole point of the charge brought about by the onfield incident.

Quote ="M@islebugs"That's an entirely false equivalence. The incidents you speak of either weren't in this country or appalling as they were in (1972), in no way compare to the sacrifice made to secure European civilisation, not once but twice. The same people who fought those wars created the greatest movement for social progress in the world (the Labour movement) leading to the establishment of the NHS you speak of.'" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56950484 Police violence against black people is much higher than against whites people. Even though there was no evidence of a racist element to this the facts about discriminatory behaviour towards black peoples is significant https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-56183429 There are hundreds more of these incidents Black people are over represented in huge numbers in all sorts af areas which indicate discrimination in this country. Just go and look for them As for your second point about equivalence I am not sure I understand it. I made the point that Boris and other right wingers like Laurence Fox are creating this debate in an attempt to distract ( and attract white racist supporters ) from their attempts to curb democracy and make damaging changes to the NHS which is what led to social change in the Uk after WW2.

Quote ="M@islebugs"That's an entirely false equivalence. The incidents you speak of either weren't in this country or appalling as they were in (1972), in no way compare to the sacrifice made to secure European civilisation, not once but twice. The same people who fought those wars created the greatest movement for social progress in the world (the Labour movement) leading to the establishment of the NHS you speak of.'" https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56950484 Police violence against black people is much higher than against whites people. Even though there was no evidence of a racist element to this the facts about discriminatory behaviour towards black peoples is significant https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-56183429 There are hundreds more of these incidents Black people are over represented in huge numbers in all sorts af areas which indicate discrimination in this country. Just go and look for them As for your second point about equivalence I am not sure I understand it. I made the point that Boris and other right wingers like Laurence Fox are creating this debate in an attempt to distract ( and attract white racist supporters ) from their attempts to curb democracy and make damaging changes to the NHS which is what led to social change in the Uk after WW2.

Quote ="Jason65"Durham Giant -what a load of rubbish, I want democracy which means freedom of speech without being shouted down,cancelled and so-on by fools who would suppress that. Name me one thing that a ethnic person cannot do that I can in this brilliant country we all live in.'" Maybe have equality of opportunity to be a RL players https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... and-set-up The average black person will experience more instances of N***** or black or off to where you belong than you have experiences of off whitey or get back to your own country but yet you know this. It is funny how many people now try to hide their racist attitudes by standing up for “free speech” or oppose “cancel culture” A bit like Tommy Robinson using Asian rape gangs to whip up racism whilst supporting the EDL in their pro rape and sexual abuse culture Just google Richard Price, former leader of the English Defence League. Convicted for possession of child pornography, and admitted making indecent images of children. Tommy Robinson began a "Free Richard Price" campaign in 2011. I have at least 20 more instances of EDL child abusers and rapists in the last few years. Paige Chivers killed in Blackpool. Big EDL campaign about this and Rape gangs in Blackpool. Lots of demonstrations turns out she was murdered by BNP member and EDL supporter Robert Ewing Meet Robert Ewing, a member of the English Defence League. Imprisoned in 1995 for gross indecency with a 13 year old. Convicted of murdering 15 year old Paige Chivers, and later for the sexual abuse of two children aged 6 and 9. @VirgilCaine1 Re: Ewing: Efforts were made to link Paige Chivers' disappearance to the Muslim community by right wing groups including members of the British National Party, the English Defence League, and related blogs. After Ewing's conviction, no comment was made by either organisation. I am not going to convince you Jason but to everyone else reading this. Don’t believe the hype that we are being fed about cancel culture etc it is being used as a smokescreen to undermine our fundamental rights as well as the NHS etc.

Quote ="Jason65"Durham Giant -what a load of rubbish, I want democracy which means freedom of speech without being shouted down,cancelled and so-on by fools who would suppress that. Name me one thing that a ethnic person cannot do that I can in this brilliant country we all live in.'" Maybe have equality of opportunity to be a RL players https://www.skysports.com/rugby-league/ ... and-set-up The average black person will experience more instances of N***** or black or off to where you belong than you have experiences of off whitey or get back to your own country but yet you know this. It is funny how many people now try to hide their racist attitudes by standing up for “free speech” or oppose “cancel culture” A bit like Tommy Robinson using Asian rape gangs to whip up racism whilst supporting the EDL in their pro rape and sexual abuse culture Just google Richard Price, former leader of the English Defence League. Convicted for possession of child pornography, and admitted making indecent images of children. Tommy Robinson began a "Free Richard Price" campaign in 2011. I have at least 20 more instances of EDL child abusers and rapists in the last few years. Paige Chivers killed in Blackpool. Big EDL campaign about this and Rape gangs in Blackpool. Lots of demonstrations turns out she was murdered by BNP member and EDL supporter Robert Ewing Meet Robert Ewing, a member of the English Defence League. Imprisoned in 1995 for gross indecency with a 13 year old. Convicted of murdering 15 year old Paige Chivers, and later for the sexual abuse of two children aged 6 and 9. @VirgilCaine1 Re: Ewing: Efforts were made to link Paige Chivers' disappearance to the Muslim community by right wing groups including members of the British National Party, the English Defence League, and related blogs. After Ewing's conviction, no comment was made by either organisation. I am not going to convince you Jason but to everyone else reading this. Don’t believe the hype that we are being fed about cancel culture etc it is being used as a smokescreen to undermine our fundamental rights as well as the NHS etc.

Quote ="Durham Giant"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56950484 Police violence against black people is much higher than against whites people. Even though there was no evidence of a racist element to this the facts about discriminatory behaviour towards black peoples is significant https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-56183429 There are hundreds more of these incidents Black people are over represented in huge numbers in all sorts af areas which indicate discrimination in this country. Just go and look for them As for your second point about equivalence I am not sure I understand it. I made the point that Boris and other right wingers like Laurence Fox are creating this debate in an attempt to distract ( and attract white racist supporters ) from their attempts to curb democracy and make damaging changes to the NHS which is what led to social change in the Uk after WW2.'" There are 60million+ people in the country. There is a statistically tiny number of these incidents.

Quote ="Durham Giant"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56950484 Police violence against black people is much higher than against whites people. Even though there was no evidence of a racist element to this the facts about discriminatory behaviour towards black peoples is significant https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-56183429 There are hundreds more of these incidents Black people are over represented in huge numbers in all sorts af areas which indicate discrimination in this country. Just go and look for them As for your second point about equivalence I am not sure I understand it. I made the point that Boris and other right wingers like Laurence Fox are creating this debate in an attempt to distract ( and attract white racist supporters ) from their attempts to curb democracy and make damaging changes to the NHS which is what led to social change in the Uk after WW2.'" There are 60million+ people in the country. There is a statistically tiny number of these incidents.

So now its my turn.
I havnt the time or inclination to go and find loads of alternative arguments to what you lot are putting forward.
I do however feel sorry for Mr Giant that he has to troll through all kinds of individual accounts to make point.
Why would you call me Whitey you dont know who I am is that not a tad racist,I am equal to and everyone is equal to me.
So please stop spouting your crap as that is what it is just to make a pathetic point of which I could do the same.

It is wrong to be racist,it is wrong to shut people down,it is wrong to cancell folk ,it is wrong to think that if people have different views means they are racist they are not, they just think you are a fool and you cause more division with your views and negative thoughts against whites. As a side issue my wife was a theatre nurse and when a african nurse started she thought she had to sit in a different canteen and was surprised that whites and blacks and asians all sat together. not bad for a racist country.

Quote ="M@islebugs"There are 60million+ people in the country. There is a statistically tiny number of these incidents.'" Statistically Deaths in police custody. Black people 8%. Black people by ethnic category black people make up 3 % of the population that is fact and statistically indicates that black people are over represented. https://www.statista.com/statistics/112 ... ethnicity/

Quote ="M@islebugs"There are 60million+ people in the country. There is a statistically tiny number of these incidents.'" Statistically Deaths in police custody. Black people 8%. Black people by ethnic category black people make up 3 % of the population that is fact and statistically indicates that black people are over represented. https://www.statista.com/statistics/112 ... ethnicity/

You ought to read what is written I did not call you whitey I said that I bet black people are commented on by their colour more than you-are commented in respect of your colour .

How is that you transpose someone challenging racism against BAME communities is in some way anti white ?

That I believe is either you not understanding the point or deliberately trying to confuse it.

Did you watch the link I gave about 4 black Huddersfield Giants players talking about their experiences of racism in RL ?

That is an example of how Black players have a different experience to white players.

Pointing that out and challenging it is not anti white unless you are saying that anything that points out discrimination ad racism is anti white ?

Quote ="Durham Giant"Statistically Deaths in police custody. Black people 8%. Black people by ethnic category black people make up 3 % of the population that is fact and statistically indicates that black people are over represented. https://www.statista.com/statistics/112 ... ethnicity/'" You need to read your own statistics. According to that website Asians account for 8% of population but only 3% of deaths. Do the police really like Asians? People enter police custody in all kinds of states and die for a variety of tragic reasons. Each is investigated independently. There's just no evidence of what you're suggesting and nobody is defending the EDL.

Quote ="Durham Giant"Statistically Deaths in police custody. Black people 8%. Black people by ethnic category black people make up 3 % of the population that is fact and statistically indicates that black people are over represented. https://www.statista.com/statistics/112 ... ethnicity/'" You need to read your own statistics. According to that website Asians account for 8% of population but only 3% of deaths. Do the police really like Asians? People enter police custody in all kinds of states and die for a variety of tragic reasons. Each is investigated independently. There's just no evidence of what you're suggesting and nobody is defending the EDL.

I did not quote any statistics for Asians .

If you don’t like the statistics take it up with the government who provide the statistics,

The comments about the EDL were to illustrate the fact that people use racism as a way to manipulate how people think and vote to obscure other issues hence me comparing it to the Tories using woke culture etc to provide a smokescreen to other things that they are doing. the fact that this whole discussion is about race and not about the governments queens speech about what they are planning to do about democracy and the NHS illustrates that.

Just to illustrate the above point . How many posters on here are aware of this that 5 Tory MPs are accused of trying to intervene in the trial of Tory MP accused of sexual assault. Yet this is ignored because Bojo and Laurence fox are trying to get everyone to talk about cancel culture etc. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... SApp_Other

Just to illustrate the above point . How many posters on here are aware of this that 5 Tory MPs are accused of trying to intervene in the trial of Tory MP accused of sexual assault. Yet this is ignored because Bojo and Laurence fox are trying to get everyone to talk about cancel culture etc. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... SApp_Other

You do realise that any white person defending this country is complicit in your idea of racism.
Its like we cannot be happy in our country any more without a fool bringing up something to complain or play the victim.

Did the idea of a nurse in the canteen not fit your rhetoric. as stated on more than one occasion racism is wrong on all levels. Labour are a crap political party no longer for the working class (of which I am one ) but would never vote for a party this badly run.I do think we need a party that can challenge the tories.
Mr Giant you do seem to be on a crusade so i wish you luck .

Prejudice exists in all forms of life and its abhorent but that prejudice is more a apparent across class and wealth than across race in this country. The heightened focus around BLM has (in my opinion) started to do more harm than good. We live in a country where there are circa 3% afro Caribbean decent and 8% Asian yet there push for equal representation is seeing (certainly on TV) people who are not really suited to the roles they are being given getting in them with a view it is just to meet a quota. I'd say TV has an anti ugly / anti fat bias, even the BAME representation is pretty and slim (unless they're meant to be funny) Footballers taking the knee to show a stand against racism in a sport that has no 'out' gay players is laughable.
Is it better to silence peoples views or let them be aired and let the public decide whether they agree, if not form an intelligent argument. At least that way we know who we're dealing with. Jobs should go to the best person for the job, not the whitest, blackest, prettiest or not as in most cases the wealthiest old school connection.

Back to Clubb, is he racist, probably not, he's probably just thick and used his heritage in no different a way to if he'd called him fat / big nose. Still deserves to get banned but not cancelled.

yes I agree there are many forms of bias/prejudices in all forms not just to the minorities.
Yes also there are too many minorities on tv especially on ads this does not reflect the society we live in.

Re the posts above

Why does it matter what colour someone’s skin is in an advert on TV ?

If for 60 years all adverts were white people and now some adverts have black people why does it matter ?

It is like those people who said they were going to boycott Sainsbury’s because their Xmas ad had a black family in it. Why ?

I just saw a family like mine , celebrating Xmas with Turkey and decorations and presents etc.

I know some people find this hard to understand but in my experience most black people are like me.
Working class, trying to have a better life for themselves and their children , doing the same things as you and me. Having the same colour blood so when I see them on TV it does not even register that there is something different about them representing Sainsbury’s shoppers like me .

i agree colour of skin should not be a problem on tv but when there are actors/actresses not getting a job because of their skin colour that must be wrong even in your one eyed take on society.
It is obvious that there is a direction to employ more minorities thus it must be racist in the definition .And you cannot say they are trying to even it out as it has been pointed out that there are only 7% of our population minorities.

Actually people do understand and yes black people are like us some are good some are bad some are really scum just like every race on this earth.

Quote ="Durham Giant"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56950484 Police violence against black people is much higher than against whites people. Even though there was no evidence of a racist element to this the facts about discriminatory behaviour towards black peoples is significant https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-56183429 There are hundreds more of these incidents '" You do know that more people with a black skin pigmentation were murdered by knife and gun,during a lockdown during a pandemic,in London,than the agitators have claimed have been killed by police,don't you? BLM noticeable by their absence,lack of finance,and lack of care. As for the sudden increase in ethnic minorities on television.It may appear to the unemployed,disenfranchised,white skinned,indigenous population, that should politicians and academics,rioters and others,take action for political and self aggrandizement purposes,there becomes a bias. Where certain sections of society riot,more money gets spent. It ain't gonna get better for a mighty long time.Shame. Discussions could go on for ever.Not every person involved is a racist. The school teacher in Bradford,years ago,Ray Honeyford,now deceased,wasn't a racist. Neither was Enoch Powell. Whatever,the situation is certainly worse now.Fortunately,there are a lot of ethnic minorities doing sterling work. White folk jumping on the bandwagon haven't helped.

Quote ="Durham Giant"https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-56950484 Police violence against black people is much higher than against whites people. Even though there was no evidence of a racist element to this the facts about discriminatory behaviour towards black peoples is significant https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-humber-56183429 There are hundreds more of these incidents '" You do know that more people with a black skin pigmentation were murdered by knife and gun,during a lockdown during a pandemic,in London,than the agitators have claimed have been killed by police,don't you? BLM noticeable by their absence,lack of finance,and lack of care. As for the sudden increase in ethnic minorities on television.It may appear to the unemployed,disenfranchised,white skinned,indigenous population, that should politicians and academics,rioters and others,take action for political and self aggrandizement purposes,there becomes a bias. Where certain sections of society riot,more money gets spent. It ain't gonna get better for a mighty long time.Shame. Discussions could go on for ever.Not every person involved is a racist. The school teacher in Bradford,years ago,Ray Honeyford,now deceased,wasn't a racist. Neither was Enoch Powell. Whatever,the situation is certainly worse now.Fortunately,there are a lot of ethnic minorities doing sterling work. White folk jumping on the bandwagon haven't helped.

Were the white skinned people complaining when people of other backgrounds were under represented on tv?

It's a thorny subject but I do wonder if, when the sight of black or Asian people on tv makes some people upset, they might just perhaps be racist.

Dont talk daft I am not a racist and to accuse some people that have a different view is just plain stupid.

If all you see in a 90% white country is minorities on tv then yes they are over represented if around 7/9% minorities are on tv to reflect the society we live then it is right.
You dont anyone complaining that there are 2 many on a rugby field mainly because that is a true reflection of our sport.

All good people are saying just have a true reflection of our country not made up to suit some agenda and certainly not to suit London.

I'm happy to stick with the uncontroversial opinion that, if the mere sight of people of colour upsets you, then you've got issues.