All this for a handful of actual infections that are a tiny, tiny fraction of cases ...

The lies and manipulation is off the scale and the actions of gov are doing massive amounts of harm!

What's the source of that spreadsheet?

A Multi-Nick account most likely

News from the Times

Britain’s busiest hospital has only one nurse for every three Covid patients being treated in intensive care as the capital faces a tsunami of new cases, leaked correspondence shows.
The Royal London Hospital in east London has reached “disaster medicine mode” and is no longer able to provide adequate critical care, according to management.
In an email sent last night and seen by The Times, critical care staff were told: “We are now in disaster medicine mode. We are no longer providing high standard critical care, because we cannot.
“While this is far from ideal, it’s the way things are, and the way they have to be for now. Things are going to get harder before they get better.”
It comes as the hospital’s doctors and nurses urged bosses to declare an emergency as they opened a new ward and moved adults into a paediatric ward after 200 new Covid patients were admitted in recent days.
In the email, management said that “every hospital in northeast London is struggling” and that the rest of the capital would be the same within two weeks.


Maybe west end unthinker can tell us whether not putting London into lockdown earlier was a good idea or not ?

Bearing in mind that they new about the new variant in September nd their rates were going up,even though the north’s were going down.

They also knew by December 8th that the highest rates of new infections in London were rising fastest in children in school years 7 to 12. In those schools they had increased by 70X in the space of 6 weeks . That is why Greenwhich and other LA’s wanted to close schools down the week before Xmas but were threatened with legal cation by the government if they did.

Plus bear in mind that critical care being so swamped now means they will struggle to deal. It just with Covid patients but with heart attacks, RTAs and crime. Victims of all ages.


Anyone still think Boris is the man or the job ?

Who do you suggest is the right person for the job ??

Who do you suggest is the right person for the job ??

It’s a mess and no denying it, but everyone seems to MR & Mrs hindsight

You keep saying that but many people were saying schools should close before Xmas me included well before Xmas


Many people did not think students should go to university in October before the event .

Many people think schools should bot be going back in January before it was partially announced .

Many people are saying that the current policy in London for some boroughs schools to go back when others are bit going back is bonkers .

The government is still getting the whole thing wrong

Quote ="King Street Cat"What's the source of that spreadsheet?'" https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... s-for-2020 This is the actual infections that have been tested to see if there is live infection in the cases, we already know that the false positives from RT-PCR and the flow tests are insanely high. From lab testing in France of over 250,000 tests it was at 35x cycles of the PCR to be 97% false positives of the positive cases. In the UK we do somewhere between 40-45 amplifications, thus the false positives are almost 100% of the positive cases. PHE estimate of 0.8 to 4% of all tests is a wild underestimate.

Quote ="King Street Cat"What's the source of that spreadsheet?'" https://www.gov.uk/government/publicati ... s-for-2020 This is the actual infections that have been tested to see if there is live infection in the cases, we already know that the false positives from RT-PCR and the flow tests are insanely high. From lab testing in France of over 250,000 tests it was at 35x cycles of the PCR to be 97% false positives of the positive cases. In the UK we do somewhere between 40-45 amplifications, thus the false positives are almost 100% of the positive cases. PHE estimate of 0.8 to 4% of all tests is a wild underestimate.

The hindsight argument might have just about worked back in April/May, but I'm afraid it's no longer valid. People on the ground were warning of the current inevitability about 3 or 4 weeks ago.

Critical care beds under the tories has reduced massively, even so the % of people in critical care beds as a % is lower than previous for same time of year. 'covid' patients as described by the government is pure falsification, based on positive tests that we know are almost 100% false. So you could have 100 critical care patients in hospital with a positive test but only one may have a live infection of something that resembles SARS. The rest are going to be pneumonia, influenza which is demonstrably proven to be massively more infectious (again despite the governments criminal lies) and indeed not even connected to respiratory ailments because PCR positive does not indicate anything other than a positive of a test that cannot detect infection.

This is why the actual confirmed live infection of COVID19 as per the governments own (well hidden) tables regards reportable infectious diseases is so low. it proves that the PCR testing is complete BS which was in itself proven by a lab in France regards actual infections of something against positive cases, less than 3% at 35x amplification cycles of the PCR test, UK does somewhere between 40-45 cycles so the true infections are significantly less than 3% at those amplification cycles. The more cycles the higher the false positives.

Boris was never the man for the job and he as well as Hancock, Whitty and Vallance plus SAGE and Ferguson should be put on trial for crimes against the people of the UK. If we had done nothing at all, no testing, no track and trace, no lockdown, no masks or SD, basically done the same as other years we had a real flu pandemic, the country would be in a far better place.
The person in charge of checking to see if the reaction would do greater harm is married to the person in charge of track and trace.
Get set for another 2 years at least of this BS if people do not resist this insanity, insanity that will destroy not just the economy even more but destroy society as we know it, cause more deaths because of the removed health and social care at the very least, alrready threats of treating 'covid' only patients, thus more people dying. I've seen first hand how vulnerable people in the community have been left ot their own devices, people not eating properly or at all in hospitals because there's no one to help them eat and they can't feed themselves. And wonder why we had a spike in excess deaths, unwell not ready to go home elderly sent back home/care home and not dying FROM covid but their underlying health conditions after being left on their own, skeleton care and not even fit to be out of hospital and no care plan in place, then throw in DNR and you get your spike easily enough!
He's a sinister NWO yes man and not in control of jack!

You've made the mistake there of thinking that these people actually listen.
Can't count the number of "aahh well, its alright saying that now with hindsight" type posts there have been, yet they were told before and whilst it was happening.

We all know the harm caused to kids from challenging backgrounds - another extended period away from school does nobody any favours especially the children themselves. They need social interaction to aid their development into adulthood.

The first people to get the Astra-Zeneca jab should be all the teachers and if they refuse then they need to find another job. This isn't about teachers this is about the kids - the most important human capital we have.

Nope, sorry kids & students have to stay off school until we are clear of Covid in 2022 - DG and their ilk say that’s the best way, because losing a generation of children’s education makes so much sense.

So much to consider other than just the Covid but they just keep the blinkers on

I love your concern for the future of our children particularly those from underprivileged backgrounds.

Maybe you could support policies that ensure that they get fed such as free schools meals something which the Tories have reluctantly had to be dragged into.

Maybe you could support policies which provide affordable housing so that thousands of children are not homeless and living in hostels or a whole family in a room.

Maybe you could support policies that all children should be given access to a laptop which was promised by Boris at the start of the crisis but was dropped so that more money could be given to his friends in the private sector to squirrel away by pretending to set up a track and trace system or provide e PPE.

Maybe you could support policies which have not cut Educational psychology and support for children with special needs to the bone.

You use this arguement about helping children staying in school yet you seem happy to deny them the basics of life such as food and shelter.

You should read Maslows hierarchy of need. You cannot learn if you are hungry , you cannot learn if you are scared about whether you will have a roof over your head


Your arguements about schooling are nothing but straw men. You don’t care about the children as much as you care about supporting government propaganda

Quote ="ColD"Who do you suggest is the right person for the job ?? It’s a mess and no denying it, but everyone seems to MR & Mrs hindsight'" So we have another government U Turn over schools in London which the government wanted to keep open even though most other schools were to stay shut. It seems that mr and Mrs U turn strike again rather than listening to those who are actually on the coal face and know what is happening So No hindsight here just those looking at reality and making the right decision https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55511169

Quote ="ColD"Who do you suggest is the right person for the job ?? It’s a mess and no denying it, but everyone seems to MR & Mrs hindsight'" So we have another government U Turn over schools in London which the government wanted to keep open even though most other schools were to stay shut. It seems that mr and Mrs U turn strike again rather than listening to those who are actually on the coal face and know what is happening So No hindsight here just those looking at reality and making the right decision https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-55511169

You do know I’m not Boris Johnson don’t you, and in all honesty although a bit blue at the moment don’t have any particular political tendencies, and certainly don’t an issue with supporting any of the policies you mention, indeed I have grandchildren that fall into the bracket of the support you mention above - my point being that it is not always as straightforward as people make it seem
Don’t think Johnson has handled this well by any means, but who would have done better and differently

How's your splintered @rse?
At least DG lays it down!
Take a side and be done with it man, your beginning to sound like Mild Rover, dearest me!

Let's have a look at some of these:
1. Perhaps if parents took some responsibility and prioritised feeding their kids rather than constantly berating the state - plenty of low income families manage to feed their kids - its about doing the right thing first. Free school meals should be a last resort but should be available all year round.
2.We live in a very densely populated country so building affordable housing is a challenge especially in the cities where it is needed so kids are close to schools/infrastructure etc - where in London do you suggest they build - Regents Park, Green Park - deny the public these green spaces?
3.Leeds council are sat on about 1,500 laptops that never got distributed - perhaps the government did their bit but the local councils haven't done theirs?
4. Agreed

Maslow really applies to the adults - he doesn't mention hungry children - plenty of kids learn perfectly well from poor backgrounds it about parental input - you encourage your kids to embrace education and they will - if you don't see any value in it neither will your kids.

The state can only do so much - as adults we have to take some responsibility for our own actions - if we have done everything possible and still need state help that is what it is there for a last resort not the first option.

Got some very good tweezers thanks



And why is it about taking sides, it’s about what’s best for the country and all the people within it

Appreciate most on here appear to be Corbynists, and that is their choice - and it appears to be those on here who don’t wish to waiver from that and look at the whole picture. The Tories are in charge so let’s just rip anything they do or say appears to be the motto

Maybe because whatever the Tories do or say isn’t for the betterment for the country more like lining the pockets for their spouses and fat cat mates. Despite what the Daily Mail or the Sun spout out Corbyn would’ve handled Covid a lot better.

That's really gone and done it now.

+1

And its about time all these tories were stopped from fiddling their taxes

Well I think you’ve just pretty much proved the point I was making to be honest - neither you nor I have any idea how Corbyn would have handled Covid, but there you go bigging him up. To be fair I’m not aware of any comments he’s made about how he would have done things differently, and in my opinion (you seem to be stating it as a fact) he wouldn’t have been up to it - in fact he was one of 2 reasons I didn’t vote Labour at the last election.

I imagine, at a time government is trying to deliver these huge and critical projects, it wouldn't hurt having in charge someone who believed in the power of government to make things happen rather than people who believe the solution instead is to give vast contracts, without tenders, to companies with no relevant experience other than the ears and pockets of cabinet members.

Corbyn would have handled it better? Lol. How? By calling it the fault of isreal and offering it free WiFi to go away?