You pin the [uentire affair[/u on stupidity and incompetence?

Today in history - Dec 17th 1951.

The Civil Rights Congress delivers [i''We Charge Genocide''[/i to the United Nations.

[urlhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_Charge_Genocide[/url

The powers that be rely on them killing each other now, it's far more efficient.

I think that there was enough stupidity and incompetence on the part of the US government and security forces that I don't believe there is a need to try to pretend that the US actually blew up the Twin Towers, disappeared a plane or two worth of people and goodness knows what else.

I do not believe that there was a deliberate decision on the part of the US government (or parts of the US state) to let 9/11 happen. Although that it did happen suited certain agendas. That is not 'conspiracy'.

It helps that I know just one such nutter who posits such nuttery – along with exactly the same financial nuttery that a certain poster here posits.

For clarity, I do not consider the likes of the Project for a New American Century and the military-industrial complex etc to be 'conspiracies'.

If 'conspiracy' has been involved in events related to 9/11, then the issue of using WMD as a pretext for the invasion of Iraq might be it. But then again, perhaps they really did believe there were WMD. Or sort of hoped so.

I'm perfectly well aware of what constitutes a conspiracy and what does not - so let's drop the condescending and tedious pre-school nonsense. You say you don't believe any conspiracy took place. Is this "belief" based on evidence or faith? Why are you so certain? Have you read the 9/11 report. Have you read any - serious (i.e. not plane vanishing nonsense) - criticisms of that report?



I've no idea where you are going with this.



Good. Because if you did I'd say you are not as smart as I thought.



It [imight[/i be? You mean you spent 18 months bawling Wigan_Fan out over Iraq without being sure about your own accusation? I'd say you owe him an apology.



WTF?? I can't believe I am reading this. Has someone reprogrammed your mind? Are you even mintball?

Take your own advice Mugwump.

Your teeth'll rot ...

[url=http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/smartnews/2012/12/rasputin-was-murdered-today-in-1916/?utm_source=twitter.com.COM&utm_medium=socialmedia&utm_campaign=20121217&utm_content=rasputinwasmurderedtodayin1916Rasputin was murdered[/url.

You've done it now, just had to reach for BONEY M.



'Most people looked at him with terror and with fear
But to Moscow chicks he was such a lovely dear
RA RA RASPUTIN lover of the Russian queen
There was a cat that really was gone'.

[url=http://www.cornwalls.co.uk/Mousehole/penlee_lifeboat.htmPenlee Lifeboat Disaster[/url 19 December 1981

Let's not forget the majority of these guys are unpaid volunteers and let's also be thankful that the RNLI have managed to stay afloat in spite of governments past & present.

Very brave people.
I have to say even now i find it appalling that many lifeboats are run by volunteers rather than it being a job people should be paid to do. Pretty much the bravest of the brave in civillian life.

The only full-time lifeboat crew are those at Spurn Point, all the rest are volunteers. There's no doubting the fact that all of them and those who may one day rely on them, like the current siutation. Most would probably resign if the RNLI became a part of government

Did you see the documentary late one night a couple of months ago on the Blyth volunteer lifeboat ?

As far as I could make out it wasn't even part of the RNLI but run by a group of volunteers from a local working mens club, bizarre but true and paid for by a local bloke who made a bit of money in property development, he owns the boat and the volunteers man it and raise money to maintain, house and fuel it - the coastguard are the ones who alert them to emergencies.

Its like we've turned the clock back 200 years.

There are 35 members of [url=http://www.i-lifeboat.org.uk/I-Lifeboat[/url, the UK Independent Lifeboat Association

On this day - 1988.

PAN AM FLIGHT 103.

Awful day.

Apparently the wreckage is still stored in Lincolnshire, they must be keeping it just in case further investigations are needed.

Mats Wilander
John Lydon
Kim Catrall
Four Tops

All booked or reserved booking on that flight.
Lucky people.

One of America's most famous general's George S Patton dies.

''Now, I want you to remember that no b@stard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor dumb b@stard die for his.''

Famous for his litany of profanities was the four **** General.

Can't believe no on e else posted this...

Ten years since we lost Joe.

I saw him at Sheffield Arena shortly before he died, he was touring with his own band playign original material as a support act to The Who, we'd got in early and sat through their whole set, whoever they were they were very good, not as good as The Who of course, but too good to be a support band.

Acknowledged on the MUsic thread.

Get with the programme BG.

On this day - 1970.

The North Tower of the World Trade in Manhattan, New York is topped out at 1,368 feet, making it the tallest building in the world.

It never quite made it's 21st birthday.

31st

Yes, it never quite achieved basic numeracy.
Towers tend to be a bit solid however.
Pity it was not more solid.