For someone who likes to portray himself as high and mighty bragging about writing books and possessing an extensive library it doesn’t take long for you to start hurling insults. Of course immigrant numbers are important, if we take half a million can you imagine the strain on the nhs and social services. Plus the bulk of these people get shunted into working class areas, that causes friction and the rise of right wing politicians.
Then people like you can squeal about facism and racism. You may want to check out the immigrant problems in Sheffield ,even david blunkett voiced concerns about that. Most of the cheerleaders for high levels of immigration aren’t affected by the problems brought about by this policy.
Anybody expressing concern about immigration are shouted down as gammon faced racists, but you know about that as you are the biggest culprit on this site for that.

And there you go again. Gosh the grievance-nationalists on the Sin Bin nowadays really are easily triggered into vents of fury aren't they. And apparently riddled with some sort of intellectual inferiority complex. Where are you Mintball, all is forgiven.

But to your somewhat silly point: If you were at Wembley with a full crowd and fifty more people turned up would you be furious that the bars were over-run or the staircases unable to cope? No, you'd be blaming the organisers for not making proper arrangements. And so it is with the sudden fake concern for the NHS being "overrun". Our health service is failing because the Conservative government has driven it into the ground. Don't blame immigrants for it, blame the people you elected. If you really care, vote them out rather than finding someone below you on the ladder to heap all the venom in the world onto.

That's some analogy there, like the rest of the post hilarious really

And there you go again. You have no idea who I voted for or even if I voted. Silly point, the Wembley reference is extremely silly. Let’s assume we have a huge influx of immigrants this year ,any system would struggle with that scenario. Are you suggesting that we expand the nhs just in case we need to cater for an unknown quantity of people. The nhs long term planning is based open known factors, one which is blindingly obvious is the extent of the population. If the population unexpectedly increases that undoubtedly throws up major problems. I assume you know how long it takes to plan hospital structures and associated staffing levels. As always you ignore relevant points in my posts in your haste to pass puerile remarks.
I have never heaped venom on any potential immigrants legal or otherwise, I have posted in recent day’s that I certainly don’t blame them for attempting to start a new and better life for themselves.

It keeps coming back to you falsely implying there are huge numbers of immigrants coming here. The whole point is there aren't, certainly not enough to have any impact whatsoever on the NHS. That's the silly point being made - if the NHS is under strain, it's nothing to do with people entering the country and everything to do with the ideological aims of the governing party (or their incompetence, it's hard to tell sometimes).

Who actually brags about having an extensive library lol. That’s hilarious

Who has multiple usernames, that's embarrassing

There is an important discussion/debate to be had about immigration - and it is likely to become more pressing with the upheavals expected with climate change. So I have concerns about immigration, in the same way I have concerns about fiscal policy, healthcare provision or the criminal justice system.

The difficulty discussing immigration is that it does attract those GFRs more than those other topics, because they’re particularly interested in it. It be can difficult to establish a shared starting point for discussion and it just degenerates or is shied away from.

For those genuinely interested in discussing the economically and ethically complex issue of immigration, I get the frustration with liberal snowflake types presuming your perspective - but I think you should be at least as frustrated with with GFRs who poison the well of debate in the first place.

To be able to start a discussion then the true facts on both sides must be provided. The current problem is that many people choose to believe the world according to Farage and what they see in the Sun for example to the exclusion of everything else. It is like in the USA when despite the overwhelming evidence they prefer to believe what they are told by sites like QAnon because it better fits their existing prejudices.

Maybe you'd care to introduce this concept to your mates on here, good luck with getting any sort of acknowledgement from them though.

I was actually thinking more of your mates which I thought was obvious with the reference to Farage and the Sun.

They will forever accuse others of that which they are themselves guilty. It's Grievance Politics 101.

Trawl back, if you dare, through JONNY, or Chussy or wotsup's posts and try and find a single policy argument. It's all culture wars, identity politics and "what about Jeremy Corbyn"?

And that is Labour's, indeed any opposition party's biggest challenge. For a large chunk of voters, policy doesn't matter any more.

The Labour Party’s biggest challenge is to come up with some policy’s that the public will vote for. Quite obviously they have failed, otherwise they would be in power. As for Corbyn, yes indeed what about Corbyn, it’s obvious you have to mention him ,he was the leader of the Labour Party that was a spectacular failure. It’s always convenient for the left of this country to blame the woes of the Labour Party on farage and the sun. It’s a extremely useful cop out. You claim that for a large chunk of voters policy doesn’t matter, certainly the Labour Party’s policy on Brexit damaged them.
Also the Labour Party’s policy on immigration may well cost them the next election. May suit the Labour Party to scrap failed policies and go back to your favourite identity politics. Oh wait on ,they already do that, take a bow Angela Rayner, also let’s not forget the mastermind genius David lammy

I wonder why these lunatics think a woman and a black man being in the shadow cabinet is "identity politics".

Do they ever take a step back and wonder, "are we the baddies"?

They could of course just produce a manifesto promising 40 new hospitals for example knowing that they are not going to honour the pledge.

Good thinking, the pleasurable thing for you is if it doesn't happen it's something else for you to moan about.

Unfortunately you won't really get too much normal debate from ghost he's got Narcissistic Personality Disorder, he definitely ticks all the boxes just Google the traits associated with this mental illness

Hey JONNY you ever posted anything about policies? Got any views on the minimum wage, nationalisation, the NHS, tax or social policy? Or are mindless attacks on other people still all you've got?

It’s not a question of being a woman or being black, as usual you change the narrative to deflect the blindingly obvious. Then you resort to your usual pattern of insulting people who don’t share the same views as you.

Damn right I'm happy to insult people with doubtful or unpleasant motives. Whether you fall into that category I don't know.

Labours failings at the last election were obvious.
An unpopular leader (apart from within his own clique and an abysmal policy over Brexit.

Although there were and still are plenty of other issues, these were THE main reasons that they bombed.

Quite correct.

Yeah this is all true. Their individual policy positions were typically more popular according to the polling but that doesn't factor in resonance of issues. For leavers they somehow thought Labour represented Remain (despite Corbyn being more of a leaver than Johnson) and that was a bigger motivator than regular policy points.

An interesting question for me is what happens to the sometimes very large Brexit Party vote which was the deciding difference in quite a few Labour held constituencies. People who couldn't vote Tory or Labour but for whom in 2019 the most salient issue was Brexit. Johnson is trying desperately to string it out but by 2024 it will be over as a major issue for the next decade or so. Where do those votes go when normal issues return to the top of the list?

The problem is, is that no one with half a braincell trusts Labour given the lies they told last time they were in power.

And how is trust going to be with Bojo & Co, given that their compulsion for "mis-speaking" is the worst form any Government in living memory