Spot on.

My girlfriend works as a midwife and I asked her if she'd ever seen anyone who had been subjected to FGM. Her reply, ''we get women in all the time''. Shocking really.

The point I think he is trying to make is that anyone outside of the clique - and the numbers are dwindling very fast - stop posting not because certain individuals/cliques disagree but its the way it is done. In the end it is not worth the hassle of one person arguing with 4/5 of the usual suspects reiterating the same old left wing propogada. Trying to portray a superior level of thinking, something those mortals on the right couldn't possibly understand - its rubbish and its ruined this board. The clique know they will always have somebody to back them up so their views can never be exposed for what they are.

Look at this board now, new threads were raised on a daily basis now its a weekly basis at best - the clique, mainly moderators - must be bored agreeing with each other because that is what the board has become - sterile, such a shame. I hope you are pleased with yourselves.

I suspect it is you - the clique - that don't want their views challenged - easier to hack people off than have to justify your posts when they are scrutinised. Mr Fish and the census is just the latest example of this clique posting inaccurate stuff. I have no doubt that one of you would rise to his defence to avoid him further embarrassment if anyone could be bothered to seriously bring him task.

I don't get the FGM issue. So far as I can think, you would certainly be arrested and prosecuted if you did similar to a cat or a dog, so how come not in the case of humans? Especially as it is 100% an offence (and one carrying up to 14 years imprisonment) - but 14 years on from that law coming in, there has not yet been a single prosecution.

As I refuse to believe that hundreds (at least) of cases didn't come to the attention of the authorities during this period, those who have allowed offenders to escape the law should now also be brought to book. What has happened to these girls is surely on at least a par with the vile crimes of the likes of Savile.

Last year the DPP claimed the first UK prosecutions were on the cards, but whined on about how hard it was, as victims don't want to give evidence. I should imagine the same could be said for most victims of child abuse, yet the law seems well able to convict abusers without the need to put a 4 year old in the witness box, and the crime is so vile that they bloody well should prosecute in every case. If they can't find the cutter, (and I find that hard to believe) then at least prosecute the parents who conspired to have it done.

The UK will never be a multicultural utopia while so ever it has a written media who desperately pander to the large population of xenophobes who live here, even worse they also desperately pander to the smaller element of outright racists, or not, depending on how they are swinging that week.

I'll give you one small example, only because I was unwittingly involved...

Take a look at the comments on a Facebook page for a business called Star City based in Birmingham, its a Vue Cinema park complex with lots of food outlets etc - I've stayed at a Holiday Inn Express throughout this summer which is just over the road from it and most nights would pop over there for something to eat, its usually deserted at 5.30 in an evening but one Monday night at the end of July the place was heaving, there was chaos on the road outside with queues of cars trying to get into the full car park and they had dozens of security people outside trying to cope - the reason was the celebration of Eid and being in a large muslim area the Vue had devoted several screens to asian films and part of the car park was turned over to a fairground, it was a large scale celebration and the place was packed with muslims having a good time on the first night that they'd been able to eat during daylight hours, I grabbed a McD's and wandered back to the hotel.

The following night was even busier and continued until Thursday - basically Star City had devoted four nights to Eid in a similar way that they might do at Christmas for the Christian celebration.

Their problem came when some white people started to complain that they had been turned away from The Vue and from the general fairground area because "they weren't Muslims and the area was reserved for Muslim families".

Thats when the news media exploded with indignation.

The Vue investigated and found that it may have been one of their own doorstaff who had mentioned "a Muslim celebration" but in fact they were turning away lots of people regardless of religion because they were full, however they apologised for the terminology used by one of their doorstaff - unfortunately the managers of the estate then tried to deny everything unaware that The Vue had already admitted their mistake, The Mail and The Mirror soon jumped on the bandwagon and within hours the Facebook page for Star City was trashed as an advertising medium by hundreds of abusive comments most of which are still there, it would be amusing to read how stupid some of them are if it weren't for the fact that these are real people with real viewpoints, I have pointed out somewhere on there that as a white middle aged male I quite happily wandered in there on two different nights and ate at two of the outlets with no problems, which didn't really go down very well.

That one incident demonstrates to me that a good number of the population are intolerant to race and religion other than white christian - if it had been (say) a Polish four day celebration based on a Catholic festival then there probably wouldn't have been a murmur if an English family had been turned away because they weren't Catholics.

Seeing as you think it is so easy to sort, why don't you tell us your solution?

I personally think this is a minefield that will probably wreck careers so I can totally understand why people won't willingly walk through it.

In terms of Rotherham, most of the "coming to the attention of the authorities" of these girls was simply the fact that young teen tearaways were getting themselves older Asian boyfriends. Pre-Savile that knowledge was worth virtually nothing. Just as the police can't treat every black man as a potential mugger because a high proportion of convicted muggers are black, neither can the police just start pulling Asians for having white girlfriends.

Agreed. It was one of noo Labour's crazy ideas which has long since been consigned to the dustbin. No-one who values their political career any more talks about it, because it is widely accepted to have been a complete load of twaddle.

Aside from the fact I am not sure FA is part of the clique, this.

What clique would this be then?

Poor downtrodden little englanders moaning with no justification again

If a child is found onmedical examination to have injuries which cannot have been caused either accidentally, or in the manner claimed, the doctors will report it and a prosecution will be brought. You do not need the child (who may, for instance, be a baby) to agree to be a witness.

If a girl is found on medical examination to have suffered FGM, a prosecution shuld be brought. You do not get sexually mutilated by accident and no jury would believe that it happened without the knowledge of the parents.


If it was my career I would rather it be "wrecked" than live with letting mutilators of little girls escape punishment and of course continue their perverted activities. By a long chalk. But I entirely disagree with this premise. If a girl has suffered FGM then how could attempting to pursue a prosecution wreck anyone's career? The poor girl would still be and remain mutilated, and at least I tried. The worst that would happen is if it could not be proved who was responsible. Why would that wreck my career?

I challenge you to produce a single example where I have done this. You can't, as I haven't.

If I didn't want my views challenegd, why the fsck would I write any of them on a public messageboard?

Are you wanting both parents to be prosecuted, just the fathers, or just the mothers?

After successful prosecutions, are you wanting jail sentences for parents or is fining them okay?

Part of the problem with having GPs report parents for this is that females who have had this performed will then be withdrawn from most NHS services and suffer from further heath problems. You will be warned about this. Are you prepared to accept this consequence?

The children that are placed in care as a consequence of their parents being jailed. In your opinion are they better off in care than they would have been with their families? What are you going to say to the children who say you ruined their lives?

I just don't think this problem can be solved with prosecutions. I think the govt should be doing everything they can to engage these communities and persuade them to end these procedures, but if they choose to go with their own beliefs and perform them I think we've just got to accept that we've done all we can.

Because you are in a very safe place here - 99% of the regular posters on here are never going to challenge your views - simple really. Where else do you post your views, I would be very surprised if the other boards you post on -if any- are left wing leading boards

What you have done is to frustrate those who disagree with you away from this board. It has now reached a point where your views are seldom ever challenged and when they are you know you can rely on the usual suspects to back you up.

Are you seriously suggesting this board is as vibrant and interesting as it was 12 months ago? If you agree it isn't why do you think that is?

Perhaps you need to take some time and consider why you description of multi-cultural Wincanton cannot be substantiated by the legal census of the very same place.

Based on the available evidence you have just made that up to suit your argument - none of your cliquey mates -like FA- on here are ever going to bring you task on what is a made up post. That is what I am mean by a clique - even Stevie Wonder can see it exists on here

Each defendant would have the opportunity to address the court as to their guilt or innocence and level of culpability and any mitigating factors. The court has well-established sentencing guidelines but if no jail sentences are passed then any sentences will lose the (very badly) needed deterrent effect so yes, i would hope that the default position would be jail time.


If that were tru then the parents should again be investigated and if found to be neglecting their child to its detriment, they should lose the child.


You assume both parents would be jailed. Experience teaches us that that is unusual. But it is not a matter of whether they are "better off", the law needs to be brought to bear to stop FGM for as yet un-mutilated kids' benefit, and if you are looking for some sentencing utopia whereby stiff punishments for serious criminals somehow do not seriously impinge on family life, well, good luck with that. It isn't a consequence I or anyone would WANT, but is a consequence the parents should have thought of when deciding whether or no to let a butcher loose on their child. They are responsible.


I would hope that eventually the fact I did no such thing, but that their own parents did it all by themselves, would be realised. But whether they realised it or not should not be a factor in doing what is necessary to try to eradicate this barbaric practice. No apologist for mutilators can change that, nor can any amount of emotional blackmail. Just as if Rose and Fred West had young kids, I would "ruin their lives" by sending their parents to jail without parole, if you want to look at it that way. I would say it is a very twisted way to look at it, but those kids' opinion would not deter me one second from prosecuting, convicting and locking up the Wests.


And tolerate this butchery? Really? We shall just have to fundamentally disagree on that one, then.

I've done nothing but the same as what you or anyone is free to do and that is post whatever I want within the AUP. The nonsensical view that I have "frustrated" away most users is pretty mad, especially as the board has a "foe" function but it is a free country and if it was true that people chose not to post somewhere simply because they suspected the presence of another poster they disagreed with, even one they would never see, then I respect their choice.

Of course IF people have taken such a decision not to post, it could at least as likely be that they don't want to engage with the sort of right wing, fascist, racist, reactionary and homophobic stuff that certain posters regularly come up with. But you wouldn't have thought of that, would you?


As you apparently know every person who has ever posted, and know if, and why, they no longer do, how can anyone dispute your analytical findings? You have the statistics, and the signed statements.

It is not for me to answer such crackpot theories, anyway. Those who run the forums decide what goes and what doesn't, I'm very happy with that, if they tolerate me - or you - we remain free to post, if they don't, then we're out. I have nothing to do with running the boards. I would hope my posts tend towards the vibrant and interesting, but whether you're right or wrong. it wouldn't be my problem, would it.

Just checking the front page now,

Doesn't seem too shabby to me.

Apart from a certain element within the Pakistani community who are quite happy to use multiculturalism from their mono cultural backgrounds to get their carnal bliss hits.

Emigrated to get away from immigrants?

Both defendants will probably insist it wasn't their decision and they were against it. It was their partner/in laws/parents.

The only convictions will be against the religious zealots who insist they were doing right all along.



You consider FGM to be child abuse. Aren't you wanting the children to be taken away from their parents for that anyway?



FGM is completely different from one parent sexually abusing a child. You're claiming that it is an easy issue for the authorities to solve when it's blatantly obvious that it isn't.



The NHS estimates that 60,000 females in the UK have had this done to them. UNICEF estimate 125 million females worldwide have had this performed on them.

IMO we've done all we can in the UK. I support the UK in eradicating FGM worldwide, but I feel it would be lunacy to start criminalizing UK citizens for having different beliefs to us.



Their parents had the FGM performed. But it is YOU who is pushing them to be jailed for that when no one else wants to go there. Girls and women aren't coming forward to report their parents for this. They don't deem it worthy of further action, but you do.



This thread is only here because of the utterly awful child protection system in this country. You want more kids thrown into this system. Thankfully you are one of the few people who think that way.

So, you proposal for a better alternative would be? ...

Perhaps you'd be better served by actually reading the post I initially responded to, instead of making things up as you go along.

I was accused of living in a "leafy suburb": Wincanton, as a small, West Country market town, is hardly Surbiton or Virginia Water.

Mind you, I've still managed to live and work among diverse populations in Malaysia and Kenya without too many problems that I can recall

'Muslim isn't a race' - that's exactly what the EDL say when they defend themselves against accusations of being racist.

They were targeted because their abusers regarded them as western 'white trash' and the only article mentioning Asian girls being abused say's they had become 'too English' so it was their own fault!

IMO anybody trying to deny there was a racist element in these crimes are so PC they have disappeared up their own anuses.

But it isn't, in the same way that Jewish isn't a race, nor Anglican. They are religions, practised by peoples of many races

So anti-semitism isn't racist?

Why such a cynical and pessimistic view of the law? One frequent outcome of such mutual defences for assorted crimes is BOTH being convicted. I have faith in juries in general to see straight through bogus defences, and I am sure you grossly underestimate how hard it is to mount a fake defence in police questioning without tripping yourself and each other up. Then there are the conspiracy laws. At any rate, none of your comments are even the beginning of a reason not to try to prosecute.


No, I hold FGM to be self-evidently child abuse. Anyone who disagrees I would view as a pervert or a religious zealot.

Oh yes, in the long run far better for them to be raised in a non-religious-nutjob environment, by people who love and respect them, and don't want to get religious nutjobs to mutilate them without anaesthetic. However the main aim in this area must surely be to identify girls at RISK of being subjected to FGM and taking steps to prevent it from happening in the first place. Sadly religion is so prevalent that it is no good advocating removing children from even the most fanatical religionists, as the starting point is the impossibility of any such course. But a child who HAS BEEN mutilated? Yep, the parents do not deserve the child and it needs urgent medical help which clearly the parents have no intention of providing.


It's really not. Performing mutilation to genitals is very clearly abuse, and the whole point of it seems to be because the offending body parts are deemed religiously unacceptable as they are sexual organs.


Easy? I never claimed any such thing. It is obviously difficult. But they should have started the prosecutions many years ago, learned from them, developed their methods and in general made it clear by actions that our society simply will not tolerate FGM. The inaction I am sure has convinced proponents of FGM that it is tolerated. They clearly feel safe.


We have done NOTHING though. Not one prosecution for your claimed 60,000 mutilations. Secondly, it IS a crime, and a serious one at that, and performed against the least empowered in our society, and done in cold blood. Your most ridiculous statement is about "criminalising UK citizens for having different beliefs". They can believe whatever they like, including that it would be great if they could chop bits off their children. As long as they do not actually have bits chopped off their children.. That is the criminal act, not believing it should be done.


No-one else? I'm the only one in the UK? Wow. I didn't know.

Ah, you know all of them too. You sure know a lot of people. You should perhaps have told the NSPCC, they could then have saved themselves all the bother and expense of setting of their [url=http://www.nspcc.org.uk/news-and-views/our-news/child-protection-news/female-genital-mutilation-helpline/fgm-helpline-launched_wda96863.htmlFemale genital mutilation helpline[/urlwhich presumably has therefore yet to receive a call. In fact, these unfortunate young girls, already being born into a repressive and controling jail of religious nutjobbery, are raised as no better than slaves, their spirit is broken and this is but one part - if a major partr -of their brainwashing and having their spirit broken, and their sense of self-worth crushed.

What would you guess then motivates [url=http://www.theguardian.com/end-fgmFahma Mohamed[/url, and the 200,000+ people that have signed her Petition to end FGM?

Do you even know what lies in store for them? Did you know they often have their vaginas sewn up? That once they are married off, it is up to man to whom they are given to decide how to re-open the vagina, and apparently the majority feel that anything less than a grand forced re-opening with a penis would make them less of a man?

And you want to let this all continue "because they have different religious beliefs"? If you do, then you simply disgust me.


Thankfully, I believe no civilised person who understands the issue shares your views on this. Certainly not [url=http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2012/08/05/fgm-female-genital-mutilation-women-fight_n_1744455.html?utm_hp_ref=uk"Ardo"[/url, whose story you might learn something from.

Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Why such a cynical and pessimistic view of the law? One frequent outcome of such mutual defences for assorted crimes is BOTH being convicted. I have faith in juries in general to see straight through bogus defences, and I am sure you grossly underestimate how hard it is to mount a fake defence in police questioning without tripping yourself and each other up. Then there are the conspiracy laws. At any rate, none of your comments are even the beginning of a reason not to try to prosecute.'" Do you know whether the people who push for FGM are male or female? Do you know whether the new parents go along with this or whether they are pushed into it by their more traditional parents? If you have a good knowledge of the customs in all these countries and can accurately judge who was involved in arranging it then you can begin to determine who is the guilty party. But convicting a mother of arranging the FGM of her daughter when it may have been completely against her wishes, sending her to jail and ripping her family from her is unlikely to catch on as good practice. Quote No, I hold FGM to be self-evidently child abuse. Anyone who disagrees I would view as a pervert or a religious zealot.'" Is male circumcision child abuse? Do some people consider male circumcision to be MGM? I honestly don't know. I'm uncircumcised and have never given it much thought. But I've lived in the USA and in that country I believe most men are circumcised. Why the difference between the US and here? It is pretty clear that the UK and the WHO are vehemently against FGM and the choice to label it FGM rather than simply circumcision shows their stance. But labeling the parents of 1.25m children and women as child abusers is utterly ridiculous. Quote Oh yes, in the long run far better for them to be raised in a non-religious-nutjob environment, by people who love and respect them, and don't want to get religious nutjobs to mutilate them without anaesthetic. '" We can't protect young English girls from being forced into prostitution by Pakistani gangs, but we have loving foster parents ready for young immigrant children who have just been stripped from their homes and families? Quote However the main aim in this area must surely be to identify girls at RISK of being subjected to FGM and taking steps to prevent it from happening in the first place. '" How do you propose doing that? Quote Sadly religion is so prevalent that it is no good advocating removing children from even the most fanatical religionists, as the starting point is the impossibility of any such course. But a child who HAS BEEN mutilated? Yep, the parents do not deserve the child and it needs urgent medical help which clearly the parents have no intention of providing.'" So the NHS estimates 60,000 UK females have had this performed on them. So I'd guess that'd amount to roughly 100,000+ children who you want to forcibly remove from their home and assume responsibility for. Good luck with that. Quote It's really not. Performing mutilation to genitals is very clearly abuse, and the whole point of it seems to be because the offending body parts are deemed religiously unacceptable as they are sexual organs. '" Seems? If you know why this procedure takes place then you don't need to hide behind [iseems[/i. Quote Easy? I never claimed any such thing. It is obviously difficult. But they should have started the prosecutions many years ago, learned from them, developed their methods and in general made it clear by actions that our society simply will not tolerate FGM. The inaction I am sure has convinced proponents of FGM that it is tolerated. They clearly feel safe.'" Just reading up on wikipedia about FGM, but from my quick scanning of the page there is no mention whatsoever of any prosecutions anywhere of parents who have had this procedure performed on their children. All the prosecutions are of the doctors or the people who performed it. So you are arguing for something that no country on earth actually does. Quote We have done NOTHING though. Not one prosecution for your claimed 60,000 mutilations.'" Not actually true. www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... rged-court It seems they go to trial in January Quote No-one else? I'm the only one in the UK? Wow. I didn't know. '" So who else in the UK is saying that families should be ripped apart over this issue? How many children are prepared to report their parents over this? Quote Ah, you know all of them too. You sure know a lot of people. You should perhaps have told the NSPCC, they could then have saved themselves all the bother and expense of setting of their [url=http://www.nspcc.org.uk/news-and-views/our-news/child-protection-news/female-genital-mutilation-helpline/fgm-helpline-launched_wda96863.htmlFemale genital mutilation helpline[/urlwhich presumably has therefore yet to receive a call. In fact, these unfortunate young girls, already being born into a repressive and controling jail of religious nutjobbery, are raised as no better than slaves, their spirit is broken and this is but one part - if a major partr -of their brainwashing and having their spirit broken, and their sense of self-worth crushed. '" I'm not pro-FGM. I don't understand it and totally accept the UK and WHOs stance on it. I just don't think your ridiculous solution of wrecking immigrant families has any merit to it. Quote Do you even know what lies in store for them? Did you know they often have their vaginas sewn up? That once they are married off, it is up to man to whom they are given to decide how to re-open the vagina, and apparently the majority feel that anything less than a grand forced re-opening with a penis would make them less of a man? '" What's your source for this? Quote And you want to let this all continue "because they have different religious beliefs"? If you do, then you simply disgust me. '" I don't want this to continue. I just think your solution to the problem is ridiculous. Quote Thankfully, I believe no civilised person who understands the issue shares your views on this.'" Based upon the NHS, WHO and UN viewpoint I am against FGM. But I do think that this is the argument from one side and there seems to be no attempt whatsoever to accept there is any other point of view. I guess they just aren't civilised enough to be listened to and should just accept what we say. But my main view is that it is a massively difficult issue and that your solution is simplistic, stupid and ultimately damaging to the very people you claim to be wanting to defend.

Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Why such a cynical and pessimistic view of the law? One frequent outcome of such mutual defences for assorted crimes is BOTH being convicted. I have faith in juries in general to see straight through bogus defences, and I am sure you grossly underestimate how hard it is to mount a fake defence in police questioning without tripping yourself and each other up. Then there are the conspiracy laws. At any rate, none of your comments are even the beginning of a reason not to try to prosecute.'" Do you know whether the people who push for FGM are male or female? Do you know whether the new parents go along with this or whether they are pushed into it by their more traditional parents? If you have a good knowledge of the customs in all these countries and can accurately judge who was involved in arranging it then you can begin to determine who is the guilty party. But convicting a mother of arranging the FGM of her daughter when it may have been completely against her wishes, sending her to jail and ripping her family from her is unlikely to catch on as good practice. Quote No, I hold FGM to be self-evidently child abuse. Anyone who disagrees I would view as a pervert or a religious zealot.'" Is male circumcision child abuse? Do some people consider male circumcision to be MGM? I honestly don't know. I'm uncircumcised and have never given it much thought. But I've lived in the USA and in that country I believe most men are circumcised. Why the difference between the US and here? It is pretty clear that the UK and the WHO are vehemently against FGM and the choice to label it FGM rather than simply circumcision shows their stance. But labeling the parents of 1.25m children and women as child abusers is utterly ridiculous. Quote Oh yes, in the long run far better for them to be raised in a non-religious-nutjob environment, by people who love and respect them, and don't want to get religious nutjobs to mutilate them without anaesthetic. '" We can't protect young English girls from being forced into prostitution by Pakistani gangs, but we have loving foster parents ready for young immigrant children who have just been stripped from their homes and families? Quote However the main aim in this area must surely be to identify girls at RISK of being subjected to FGM and taking steps to prevent it from happening in the first place. '" How do you propose doing that? Quote Sadly religion is so prevalent that it is no good advocating removing children from even the most fanatical religionists, as the starting point is the impossibility of any such course. But a child who HAS BEEN mutilated? Yep, the parents do not deserve the child and it needs urgent medical help which clearly the parents have no intention of providing.'" So the NHS estimates 60,000 UK females have had this performed on them. So I'd guess that'd amount to roughly 100,000+ children who you want to forcibly remove from their home and assume responsibility for. Good luck with that. Quote It's really not. Performing mutilation to genitals is very clearly abuse, and the whole point of it seems to be because the offending body parts are deemed religiously unacceptable as they are sexual organs. '" Seems? If you know why this procedure takes place then you don't need to hide behind [iseems[/i. Quote Easy? I never claimed any such thing. It is obviously difficult. But they should have started the prosecutions many years ago, learned from them, developed their methods and in general made it clear by actions that our society simply will not tolerate FGM. The inaction I am sure has convinced proponents of FGM that it is tolerated. They clearly feel safe.'" Just reading up on wikipedia about FGM, but from my quick scanning of the page there is no mention whatsoever of any prosecutions anywhere of parents who have had this procedure performed on their children. All the prosecutions are of the doctors or the people who performed it. So you are arguing for something that no country on earth actually does. Quote We have done NOTHING though. Not one prosecution for your claimed 60,000 mutilations.'" Not actually true. www.theguardian.com/society/2014 ... rged-court It seems they go to trial in January Quote No-one else? I'm the only one in the UK? Wow. I didn't know. '" So who else in the UK is saying that families should be ripped apart over this issue? How many children are prepared to report their parents over this? Quote Ah, you know all of them too. You sure know a lot of people. You should perhaps have told the NSPCC, they could then have saved themselves all the bother and expense of setting of their [url=http://www.nspcc.org.uk/news-and-views/our-news/child-protection-news/female-genital-mutilation-helpline/fgm-helpline-launched_wda96863.htmlFemale genital mutilation helpline[/urlwhich presumably has therefore yet to receive a call. In fact, these unfortunate young girls, already being born into a repressive and controling jail of religious nutjobbery, are raised as no better than slaves, their spirit is broken and this is but one part - if a major partr -of their brainwashing and having their spirit broken, and their sense of self-worth crushed. '" I'm not pro-FGM. I don't understand it and totally accept the UK and WHOs stance on it. I just don't think your ridiculous solution of wrecking immigrant families has any merit to it. Quote Do you even know what lies in store for them? Did you know they often have their vaginas sewn up? That once they are married off, it is up to man to whom they are given to decide how to re-open the vagina, and apparently the majority feel that anything less than a grand forced re-opening with a penis would make them less of a man? '" What's your source for this? Quote And you want to let this all continue "because they have different religious beliefs"? If you do, then you simply disgust me. '" I don't want this to continue. I just think your solution to the problem is ridiculous. Quote Thankfully, I believe no civilised person who understands the issue shares your views on this.'" Based upon the NHS, WHO and UN viewpoint I am against FGM. But I do think that this is the argument from one side and there seems to be no attempt whatsoever to accept there is any other point of view. I guess they just aren't civilised enough to be listened to and should just accept what we say. But my main view is that it is a massively difficult issue and that your solution is simplistic, stupid and ultimately damaging to the very people you claim to be wanting to defend.