The point is that we dont know and currently, each different product imported into the EU rom "outside" carries a different tarif number and as such attracts a certain level of duty (tax) and of course these have taken years and years to establish, again, little mention of this in the "of course we can set up trade deals with "X", so often spouted before, during and after the referendum.

Of course "The Unknown" will be better than what we had before, because we will have control

We were promised our beautiful blue passports back.

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I am OUTRAGED!

What next no £350m a week for our beloved N.H.S?

At least Mr Farage is still doing his bit, I saw him on the news yesterday replenishing the fishing stock in the Thames, you show'em Nige.

The same Mr Farage who, as an MEP, attended 1 of a possible 42 meetings of the Fisheries Committee...

How is Lord ◇I'll never accept a peerage) Presctott getting on?

socialist lunatic

Blair took us into a false war
Brown sold the gold
Scargill killed the mines
Heck, even Churchil swapped sides when it suited

they all had the same ideals, and no morals

Let the intelligent people do their job, starting with terminating comrade Corbyn's propogamda

Without wanting to derail the thread, stop talking nonsense.

I literally have no idea how to respond to this.

Try responding to him. His posting is pretty much correct. Just to help you labour closed more mines than the tories.

He won't, he's not even "kryboard warrior", like so many he's a keyboard coward. Got many fingers to point but no anwsers.

I genuinely don't know what the relevance is; the original point was about Mr Farage and his ill-advised weighing in on the fisheries issue, by dumping a load of rotting fish into the Thames. I commented that it's a shame he didn't take that issue more seriously when he was actually a member of the relevant EU committee and could have done something constructive - but he attended only 1 of a possible 42 meetings - statement of fact.

What that has to do with the slightly deranged PCCollinson (who has previously expressed his view that I should be executed on live TV) and his list of unrelated whataboutery, I have no idea; hence, I choose not to reply.

To your point - you may have seen that quote as part of the recent attempts to disinfect the Thatcher years, but it's simply not true; and it has bugger all to do with Nigel Farage, fish or even Brexit.

I presume you're referring to the Wilson government back in the sixties?

Yes there was a huge cull, forty odd percent of the workforce, but that percentage doubled under the Thatcher government, with the nice caveat of the miners being described as "The Enemy Within".

This comment dovetails nicely into the present Brexit debate, with the High Court judges described as "Enemies of the People".

Not certain what thatcher has to do with current affairs. Unfortunately I am in my sixties so am well versed in the the thatcher scargill years. Working in the construction industry at that time was certainly interesting and very rewarding. If I told you of some of stunts the unions pulled you wouldn’t believe me. The country was on the verge of merging into a banana republic until she came along.

If you're not anti-thatcher then you're wrong. Don't be bringing up facts...

The Sin Bin aka The Socialist Workwr

I have worked in the construction industry for 40 years. I could wax lyrical about the greed, rip-offs, deaths, injuries, corruption, illegal blacklisting, sackings, exploitation, moral turpitude due to the desire for excessive profit.

Dont forget planning !!

Seriously though, without the subjects mentioned in your post, there would be no need for any of the Unions.

You can add weekends off, holidays with pay, maternity/paternity pay, sick pay, end discrimination, child labour, training, minimum wage as well. All things the capitalist media told us would destroy UK industry & all things a big proportion would happily weaken.

I agree with all those points. Never the less all the major construction sites I worked on had a closed shop restriction. You had to be a union member to work onsite. The union stewards claimed to be followers of Marx, unfortunately they seemed more closely linked to Groucho Marx then Karl. I won’t bore everybody with the details of the restrictive practices we were working under. Just one example, on one site for several months I was paid over 80 hours for working just 44 hours. This was an incentive because the union stewards had decided every time we came out on strike we lost money. So the little scamps came up with the idea of working without enthusiasm. This resulted in low production levels from a previous low production level.
So the management paid us extra hours to increase production. A lot of my pals worked for councils and other government bodies. They were on strikes, go slows walkouts etc etc. We were the laughing stock of the world. Even more so when you looked at British leyland. Most posters won’t be familiar with that debacle. It’s a lesson as to the future if jezza comes to power.

Your entire post was valid, and reminds me of when I was working somewhere, I won't say where. The "refuse collectors" (bin men) went on strike and chained the gates shut, our offices were on there, so we got bolt cutters and opened them. Found out a few weeks later that the "refuse collectors" got paid whilst on strike, and then double pay for the weekend needed to make up lost time.

people rarely strike for a reason other than personal gain

Not much gets past you.
Have you been on strike in favour of austerity lately?

never been on strike in my life, I don't expect my employer to give me wage rises just because I try and hold them to ransome!

I take it that you've "benefited" from the strike action of others though ?

Strike action should only ever be as a last resort and despite the "workers getting paid whilst on strike and then getting double pay" story, it is usual to get nothing whilst on strike (and rightly so).
"Tigertot" gave a whole list of "benefits" that we all now receive, that just wouldnt have happened without the Unions and many of these would not have happened without some form of strike action.

Of course there is a balance in all of these situations and the most successful companies/employers treat their workforce properly and usually, this is to the benefit of all.

Just for the record, I too have never had to strike in 35 years of working but, I totally respect the right to take strike action as a last resort.

I've benefited nothing from work shy socialists who ruined our industries.

Team Corbyn, Team JEALOUS

Makes you wonder with all these benefits bestowed on the workers why are we less productive than virtually every other country in the civilised world?

Do you get holiday pay or payments when you are off sick ??
Do you class miners as "work shy socialists" or school teachers, firemen, nurses even doctors.
Apart from miners, the others would be classed as "middle class" yet, all of them have had cause to take strike action over the years.
Look at the bigger picture and not just the bit's with a "Thatcher" blue rinse.

Perhaps you think that we should still be sending 8 year olds down t'pit and forcing people to work 60 hours a week
Shame on you.

A lot of these progression in working rules had little to do with union involvement - the 1833 factories act stopped children working in the factories - the first union was formed in 1834.

Unions restrictive practises have also held industries back - Barbara Dean who recently died brought the workers out to prevent progress towards digital/computer plate printing. Perhaps if they accepted the inevitable and helped their members re-train that would have been a better use of union money and time. This happens all the time business find more efficient ways of doing things but this progress is blocked by the unions.

The problem with striking is the union leaders who organise it don't suffer any financial loss so it becomes a power struggle. McClusky uses his position as a union leader to advance his ultra-left ideaolgy - got shown his backside when he came up against Ineos



Another is the union's inability to treat individual disputes on their merit. They take a view that they can't be seen to be giving in in one chapel in case it means giving in in another even if logic suggests its the right thing to do -

no, I don't get holiday pay, or sick pay. I work for myself and get paid for what I do.

it's simple, take personal responsibility, don't expect handouts.

the Unions destroy everything when they becone inolved.

ask yourself why Unison needs to be based in central London and recently moved to plush new offices, why does it need a subsidised bar, for "the benefit of the workers", utter sham.