On another note I see lawyers are involved and after £100K per 'victim'.

Based on this figure, the total payout would be around £140 million. And probably bankrupt Rotherham Council and South Yorks Police.

Good post. These girls will not be offered any real opportunity to mix with, or make a contribution to, wider British society.

And this is the problem. Multi-culture often = mono-culture. Where people are brought up with, and stick to, their own kind.

You can't go saying you can't mention parents as it's only the perpetrators to blame and then say the council and police shoulder some of the blame.

If the police and council are "to blame" in some cases for turning a blind eye then in some cases some parents are undoubtedly "to blame" too.
Or the perpetrators are solely to blame.

Personally I place the entirety of the blame on the perpetrators but we must also hold those to account in the council, in social services, in the police, in the Asian community and, in some cases, parents or family members who should be looking after and caring for their child better. Unfortunately some parents don't care that much for their kids and some can't be bothered to parent properly. I don't for one minute think they deserved this to happen or it's their fault but then neither is it the police, the council or social services fault.
It's the fault of those who committed the acts. But there are issues surrounding it that need discussing too.

Such as the responsibility the Asian community has in self policing, the social workers not picking up/not acting on alarm bells that should've been ringing, the council and central government in not funding police/social work properly and for a target culture, parents and families who don't look after their children properly and the police who find it too easy to ignore certain things when it's too difficult, they don't like certain types of people or might affect their crime stats.

Like I said, the people to blame are those who committed the acts but all the issues I mentioned are big problems in society and government which don't work as well as they should.

Not again - why do you need to resort to this? Perhaps you could address how come a number of people in WIncanton appear to have lied on the census or is that you have not posted factual information? - not for the first time.

Excellent. Both institutions appear, based on reports and allegations, to be rotten to the core.

Resort to what? Calling VR a racist?

I called him on it simply because, not for the first time, he's exhibited his racist and xenophobic views.

As for the Wincanton census information, I have no idea why it doesn't seem to reflect the ethnic mix of the town. But if you want to check for yourself, you're welcome to pop down here and get your hair cut at Eddie, the Portuguese barber. We can then go for Portuguese coffee before an Asian meal. If you're really good, I'll introduce you to the Sri Lankan couple and their children who live round the corner from me

Given that the numbers being quoted as "fact" are simply extrapolated from a small sample of case files then any legal actions would then force a complete examination of all of the known (actual) facts and a more accurate number arrived at - as has been pointed out earlier, being "vulnerable" does not necessarily equate to being gang-raped on a nightly basis nor does it constitute conclusive evidence - not that it stops the written media from assuming so.

In what way did he exhibit his racist and xenophobic views?

Perhaps the barber and others choose to do business in Wincanton but on the whole don't live in the town?

I'd like to know why these crimes aren't also regarded as race hate crimes and prosecuted accordingly .

It's obvious they deliberately targeted non Muslims for their vile deeds.

"Muslim" isn't a race, nor are they targeting a specific race for their crimes - see the previous comments regarding any asian girl who would comply to their grooming.

I exhibited my racist and xenophobic views by daring to challenge the idea that the UK is some sort of multicultural utopia, when everyone but a complete idiot can see that it isn't.

Under the doctrine of multiculturalism we have created an environment in which people are encouraged to lead separate lives, away from mainstream society. What is worse is that we have tolerated, and even encourage these communities, many of which are run completely contrary to our values. (By way of example, it is only now that we are taking issues such as female genital mutilation and forced arranged marriages seriously).

As for being accused of being a racist - this is the Sin Bin where a self-appointed left-leaning intelligentsia rule the roost and woe betide anyone who disagrees with them.

Mr Fish does have a barber from Portugal you know



Do those who promote multiculturalism think that genital mutilation is an acceptable part of a society with a multitude of cultures? Why do they consider raising the issue as a example of a racist attitude?

I agree with your last point - unfortunately this clique has ruined the board for everyone, this board is now a pale imitation of a once vibrant place where views of all angles were expressed.

What has happened to Mintball?

I'm intrigued. Who exactly are the members of this "intelligentsia"?

In what way do they "rule the roost"? I mean, they post, you post, that seems roost equality on the face of it. Are you saying they rule you? HOW exactly is their rule imposed on you? Are you banned? Obviously not. Are your posts deleted? On the face of it, not.

What woe is it then that betides anyone "who disagrees" with "them"? What woe has betiden you, now that you have disagreed with at least one (I presume) of them?

Or is it just that you claim the freedom to post whatever you want, but can't handle it when anyone posts to the contrary or challenges your posts?

Spot on.

My girlfriend works as a midwife and I asked her if she'd ever seen anyone who had been subjected to FGM. Her reply, ''we get women in all the time''. Shocking really.

The point I think he is trying to make is that anyone outside of the clique - and the numbers are dwindling very fast - stop posting not because certain individuals/cliques disagree but its the way it is done. In the end it is not worth the hassle of one person arguing with 4/5 of the usual suspects reiterating the same old left wing propogada. Trying to portray a superior level of thinking, something those mortals on the right couldn't possibly understand - its rubbish and its ruined this board. The clique know they will always have somebody to back them up so their views can never be exposed for what they are.

Look at this board now, new threads were raised on a daily basis now its a weekly basis at best - the clique, mainly moderators - must be bored agreeing with each other because that is what the board has become - sterile, such a shame. I hope you are pleased with yourselves.

I suspect it is you - the clique - that don't want their views challenged - easier to hack people off than have to justify your posts when they are scrutinised. Mr Fish and the census is just the latest example of this clique posting inaccurate stuff. I have no doubt that one of you would rise to his defence to avoid him further embarrassment if anyone could be bothered to seriously bring him task.

I don't get the FGM issue. So far as I can think, you would certainly be arrested and prosecuted if you did similar to a cat or a dog, so how come not in the case of humans? Especially as it is 100% an offence (and one carrying up to 14 years imprisonment) - but 14 years on from that law coming in, there has not yet been a single prosecution.

As I refuse to believe that hundreds (at least) of cases didn't come to the attention of the authorities during this period, those who have allowed offenders to escape the law should now also be brought to book. What has happened to these girls is surely on at least a par with the vile crimes of the likes of Savile.

Last year the DPP claimed the first UK prosecutions were on the cards, but whined on about how hard it was, as victims don't want to give evidence. I should imagine the same could be said for most victims of child abuse, yet the law seems well able to convict abusers without the need to put a 4 year old in the witness box, and the crime is so vile that they bloody well should prosecute in every case. If they can't find the cutter, (and I find that hard to believe) then at least prosecute the parents who conspired to have it done.

The UK will never be a multicultural utopia while so ever it has a written media who desperately pander to the large population of xenophobes who live here, even worse they also desperately pander to the smaller element of outright racists, or not, depending on how they are swinging that week.

I'll give you one small example, only because I was unwittingly involved...

Take a look at the comments on a Facebook page for a business called Star City based in Birmingham, its a Vue Cinema park complex with lots of food outlets etc - I've stayed at a Holiday Inn Express throughout this summer which is just over the road from it and most nights would pop over there for something to eat, its usually deserted at 5.30 in an evening but one Monday night at the end of July the place was heaving, there was chaos on the road outside with queues of cars trying to get into the full car park and they had dozens of security people outside trying to cope - the reason was the celebration of Eid and being in a large muslim area the Vue had devoted several screens to asian films and part of the car park was turned over to a fairground, it was a large scale celebration and the place was packed with muslims having a good time on the first night that they'd been able to eat during daylight hours, I grabbed a McD's and wandered back to the hotel.

The following night was even busier and continued until Thursday - basically Star City had devoted four nights to Eid in a similar way that they might do at Christmas for the Christian celebration.

Their problem came when some white people started to complain that they had been turned away from The Vue and from the general fairground area because "they weren't Muslims and the area was reserved for Muslim families".

Thats when the news media exploded with indignation.

The Vue investigated and found that it may have been one of their own doorstaff who had mentioned "a Muslim celebration" but in fact they were turning away lots of people regardless of religion because they were full, however they apologised for the terminology used by one of their doorstaff - unfortunately the managers of the estate then tried to deny everything unaware that The Vue had already admitted their mistake, The Mail and The Mirror soon jumped on the bandwagon and within hours the Facebook page for Star City was trashed as an advertising medium by hundreds of abusive comments most of which are still there, it would be amusing to read how stupid some of them are if it weren't for the fact that these are real people with real viewpoints, I have pointed out somewhere on there that as a white middle aged male I quite happily wandered in there on two different nights and ate at two of the outlets with no problems, which didn't really go down very well.

That one incident demonstrates to me that a good number of the population are intolerant to race and religion other than white christian - if it had been (say) a Polish four day celebration based on a Catholic festival then there probably wouldn't have been a murmur if an English family had been turned away because they weren't Catholics.

Seeing as you think it is so easy to sort, why don't you tell us your solution?

I personally think this is a minefield that will probably wreck careers so I can totally understand why people won't willingly walk through it.

In terms of Rotherham, most of the "coming to the attention of the authorities" of these girls was simply the fact that young teen tearaways were getting themselves older Asian boyfriends. Pre-Savile that knowledge was worth virtually nothing. Just as the police can't treat every black man as a potential mugger because a high proportion of convicted muggers are black, neither can the police just start pulling Asians for having white girlfriends.

Agreed. It was one of noo Labour's crazy ideas which has long since been consigned to the dustbin. No-one who values their political career any more talks about it, because it is widely accepted to have been a complete load of twaddle.

Aside from the fact I am not sure FA is part of the clique, this.

What clique would this be then?

Poor downtrodden little englanders moaning with no justification again

If a child is found onmedical examination to have injuries which cannot have been caused either accidentally, or in the manner claimed, the doctors will report it and a prosecution will be brought. You do not need the child (who may, for instance, be a baby) to agree to be a witness.

If a girl is found on medical examination to have suffered FGM, a prosecution shuld be brought. You do not get sexually mutilated by accident and no jury would believe that it happened without the knowledge of the parents.


If it was my career I would rather it be "wrecked" than live with letting mutilators of little girls escape punishment and of course continue their perverted activities. By a long chalk. But I entirely disagree with this premise. If a girl has suffered FGM then how could attempting to pursue a prosecution wreck anyone's career? The poor girl would still be and remain mutilated, and at least I tried. The worst that would happen is if it could not be proved who was responsible. Why would that wreck my career?

I challenge you to produce a single example where I have done this. You can't, as I haven't.

If I didn't want my views challenegd, why the fsck would I write any of them on a public messageboard?

Are you wanting both parents to be prosecuted, just the fathers, or just the mothers?

After successful prosecutions, are you wanting jail sentences for parents or is fining them okay?

Part of the problem with having GPs report parents for this is that females who have had this performed will then be withdrawn from most NHS services and suffer from further heath problems. You will be warned about this. Are you prepared to accept this consequence?

The children that are placed in care as a consequence of their parents being jailed. In your opinion are they better off in care than they would have been with their families? What are you going to say to the children who say you ruined their lives?

I just don't think this problem can be solved with prosecutions. I think the govt should be doing everything they can to engage these communities and persuade them to end these procedures, but if they choose to go with their own beliefs and perform them I think we've just got to accept that we've done all we can.

Because you are in a very safe place here - 99% of the regular posters on here are never going to challenge your views - simple really. Where else do you post your views, I would be very surprised if the other boards you post on -if any- are left wing leading boards

What you have done is to frustrate those who disagree with you away from this board. It has now reached a point where your views are seldom ever challenged and when they are you know you can rely on the usual suspects to back you up.

Are you seriously suggesting this board is as vibrant and interesting as it was 12 months ago? If you agree it isn't why do you think that is?