What would your solution be? Just let it continue?

You've quoted his solution. For America to stop sponsoring the murderers!

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He did suggest that, but also stated that it was unlikely to happen so wondered what other solutions he thought there could be.

Whilst I do agree with your sentiment, and you will note from my earlier posts whose 'side' I am on and who started it, it does take two to tango!

Did I say that? I've offered my most realistic solution, even if I think it's unlikely.

What do you suggest 'we' - realistically, not some fantastical vision that simply will not happen - do about it?

Honestly I don't think there's a solution unless one side capitulates completely. Don't make the mistake of assuming that's what I think [ishould [/ihappen.

'Send Israel back to pre-1967' is not a realistic suggestion.


I've offered the most realistic solution I can envisage, even if I doubt it will happen. I'm not sure a solution exists short of the Palestinians capitulating entirely. As I said to fishface, don't make the mistake of assuming that's what I think [ishould[/i happen.

I'm all out of ideas. Perhaps you could come up with something that might work in the real world?

Why not? Pre-1967 before Israel started to expand on to land belonging to another country? Just because it would be difficult, why should it not be a target? The only barrier is the foreign policy of the USA which has been found to be lacking in support more recently.

Jon Snow was on fine form last night. Worth a watch on channel 4 news catch up

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why doesn't the almighty god intervene and fix these warring nations, surely a few quick thunderbolts and a plague of locust would suffice?

If you don't see why Israel will NEVER go back to those borders, you don't understand the mindset of Israelis. They are too heavily invested in those lands, their entire raison d'être is to secure their historic lands and protect their people.

You don't set out on a diplomatic effort with a totally unrealistic goal. That's just stupid. IMO the best you can expect from Israel - unless the entire international community comes down hard on them - is to allow free movement across Palestinian borders. And Hamas will never settle for that so we'll soon be back at square one again.

The US is not the only barrier at all, Israel is a force in its own right. If the US withdrew support Israel would feel the pinch a little but they have sufficient stockpiles, manufacturing capacity and buying power to get through without too much trouble.

So I ask again - other than unrealistic ideals, what suggestions do you have?

One man's unrealistic ideal is another man's challenge.

Just because the Israeli's have dug in doesn't mean it's impossible to reach a middle ground between the two. I understand the mindset of the Israeli's, but that shouldn't mean that it's OK for them to do what they have/are doing and that nothing should be done about it. Good job people didn't say that about Hitler!*

The qualification that Israel are allowed to take land on the premise of what it says in a story book is ridiculous. Not just because the earths crust is constantly moving.

*I am not comparing Hitler and the Israeli's

I'm not saying it's "ok" for them to act as they do, and I've certainly not tried to qualify their land grab - but realistically, what can be done about it? That's the question I keep asking you but you avoid.

Saying there should be a middle ground and they should pull back to old borders is a lovely romantic ideal, but it simply will not happen. Yes, there should and they should, but there won't be and they won't. The Israelis have built populated settlements, roads and other infrastructure in those areas. They would never, ever force fellow Israelis out of their homes to resettle Palestinians.

Only if there's a complete change in leadership, policy and mindset in the Israeli leadership, and if the entire international community comes down hard with sanctions and unified condemnation, will you see any softening of their stance but it's unlikely any significant land will ever be handed back. The best you can hope for is an improvement in the living conditions of Palestinians and a cessation of hostilities - and for that you need Hamas to comply.

And if you remember there was a bit of a fight to sort Hitler out. Is that a solution you advocate? But perhaps Godwin's isn't the way to go.

Like a lot of people I don't have any meaningful suggestions and as it happens I agree with a lot of what you've posted. I honestly don't see how this can be stopped while both sides are so entrenched and one side is allowed to ignore UN resolutions while the other sends suicide bombers.

Edit - if I had any meaningful suggestions I wouldn't be on a rugby league message board.

And no need to get personal either, or is that a pic of you raging in your avatar

Sorry it's taken so long to reply, but to be honest, I can't think of anything else to put without repeating what I've said and agreeing with you. What I think should happen and what is realistic are two separate things, I agree.

I honestly don't think that this conflict will ever go away without Israel completely crushing Palestine. This would create a much larger conflict that would probably create a third world war by proxy although now is the time for Israel to strike (like they are) while other Palestinian supporting nations are busy at home.

Anonymous has successfully taken down numerous Israeli government websites along with publishing the names and personal details of high ranking Israeli army officials. I don't condone cyber attacks myself, it's just anonymous' way of showing their support for gaza.


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