The gay male rats also have a distinctive effeminate squeak according to Dally's missing report.
Possibly because there's no room for their balls to drop in such overcrowded living conditions.

I'm surprised that Dally doesn't know that [url=http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=30244evil evolution causes homosexuality.[/url

This has become very sickening. The lad ( forget his name) who accused l (lower bracket) ord McAlpine of abuse, is now being forced to be subservient again.

Just look at his posture when giving his speech, it it classic child abuse- I am wrong- act like a dog- look down, watch my bottom lip- I AM SORRY.

He has either been threatened or bought off. Listening to a body language expert last night, it's the former. When an abused item/thing/animal/person, is threatened... they revert to type, ie, a childish behaviour. Just look at his picture ffs and tell me, he has lied.


This whole inquirey, that started with Saville and went upwards, has now been deflected. The North wales's lad will now be dragged thru the mud. Daily mail has printed a story about him fiddling expenses from a few years ago. DONT FALL FOR IT. CHILDREN HAVE BEEN, AND STILL ARE STEMATICALLY BEING ABUSED.

People should start asking questions... as I said earlier, go back to Mountbatten and Dunblane and Haute de la Gaume....... " follow the trail"

Ask about Holly Greig and why a Warrington man is incarsarated because of getting too close.


ps/ the BBC sponsored CHILDREN IN NEED is next week.

Still fancy donating to a paedophile protecting fund and corporation?

The thing that is puzzling me is that neither the BBC nor Steve Messham named ANYONE at all, they asserted the belief that the young Steve Messham thought that one (one of many) of his abusers was "a senior Tory party figure".

Then Cameron gets doorstepped with a list of possible names, looks uncomfortable, embarrassed and no doubt gave someone the bollacking of their life when they were out of the ITV studios.

Within 24 hours we go from there to a position where one of Thatchers senior men is all over the media threatening to sue everyone who mentions his name and suddenly everyone piles into the BBC calling them irresponsible for suggesting that McAlpine might be anything to do with this.

But they didn't, they, and Steve Messham never mentioned any names at all.


Who is directing this storm towards the BBC, is there an agenda there, or is it a diversion technique, and why won't the Director General of the BBC just stand up and tell the truth, "We did nothing wrong in reporting an allegation from a genuinely abused person who was prepared to stand up and give his story without anonymity", its what they are supposed to do and they did well to keep the names out of their reporting.

Can there really be the in-depth partisan police inquiry into Nth Wales childcare after the PMs office has so obviously been involved now, maybe it could start with the head of Derbyshire Child Care who carried out the previous independent inquiry only to see every copied shredded as "not in the public interest", I'm sure that he would recall at least some of the detail...

The gay rat thing just happened to come up in conversation at home last night (not connected with this thread) when my daughter reminded us and Mrs Dally confirmed. The origins were an old experiment well known to psychologists, which studied the effects of over-crowding in a "rat city". One of the observations was that a number of male rats became exclusively homosexual (John Calhoun). I cannot be bothered looking up more recent research but I think read an article on the subject inn Scientific American 2 or 3 years ago, but I cannot be sure - lot's of stuff passes through our house so it could`have been anywhere. Nevertheless, Calhoun's ground-breaking work is your starting point if you wish to start looking into this further.

I must admit I too feel Cameron has enacted a case of smoks and mirrors here. As you point out the BBC didn't report anybody specific regarding these allegations yet now the Director General has fallen on his sword.

I also picked up on the alleged abuse victim's body language, looked like somebody having immense pressure put on him to shut up, although I obviously can't prove that.

Did any of you know that an American journalist Leah McGrath Goodman was banned from entering Jersey because she started investigating a cover up in the Jersey Abuse case? Seems Jimmy Saville visited the care home where the abuse took place several times too. She alleges that the original police official investigating the case was threatened that it could bring the entire British establishment down.

She was interviewed on The Keiser Report about it, it's on Youtube 12.30 minutes in if anybody wants to listen to her story.

The BBC failed to show Mr Messham a photograph of Lord McAlpine to confirm his ID. They failed to carry out any checks to establish whether he had any links to the area where the abuse took place. They ignored previous testimony that the victim believed his abuser to be dead. They failed to ask Lord McAlpine to comment on the allegations.

And yet why should they when they didn't name him ?

Its worth repeating again - the BBC did not mention McAlpine at all nor even hint that he had any involvement, at all, by asking him to comment they WOULD have involved him, for all that anyone knows he was never in the frame during the BBCs program preparation.

One thing is for certain now - the doors will be firmly locked to any further inquiry.

it all started with a tweet from an ian overton


so someone, somewhere, must have had a name. so the piece is aired and the guessing begins, which then leads to the internet going into overdrive with people like george monbiot ( [urlhttp://www.monbiot.com/2012/11/10/lord-mcalpine-an-abject-apology/[/url ) commenting. then phillip schofield finding a list of names in "3 minutes" to hand to the prime minister. and the one constant in all this seems to be the name mcalpine. this poor sod meesham(sp?) has been duped, and his character is now being assassinated in the mail this morning

newsnight dropped a bollock. and now the press will have a field day in the wake of the beeb seemingly claiming the moral high ground in the leveson gubbins.

They didn't name him, just pointed the figure in his direction and let Twitter do the rest.

The "we didnt name him" defense will not work when he sues them.

His direct quote is "In doing so, I am by no means giving up my right to sue those who have defamed me in the recent past or who may do so in the future and I expressly reserve my rights to take all such steps as I and my solicitors consider necessary to protect my interests."

In order to defame a person you first of all have to identify that person, do you not ?

Innuendo will suffice in some circumstances.

How many 'bølløcks' were dropped by how many in the media over Chris Jefferies?

And how many subsequent resignations?

I know if I made an almighty balls-up in my work then it wouldn't be any of my directors that resigned and left me in the same job.

We still come back to divide and conquror.

The bloke at the beeb being sacked is a smokescreen, as is, his final payout.

The over-riding fact is, child abuse has gone on and is still going on, and the children in need ( of abusing?) channel is still denying it.

Just to get back to the start, allegations were made about Jimmy Saville that opened up a whole can of worms. An awful lot of celebrities have come out of the cupboard " we heard the rumours", well why did'nt you say something about? Answer, "we were scared of losing our jobs and did'nt give a toss about the kids", but we can't say that.

Said it before, go back to Jersey and Dunblane.

I BELIEVE STEVE MESSHAM WAS ORIGINALLY TELLING THE TRUTH.

=#FF0000No. We are not going to start spreading rumours about named individuals here. Mintball

Suffer little children.

Why did the senior coroner of Stirlingshire not do Thomas Hamilton's autopsy?
Why did some nurses reports of the tradgedy altered?
Why was a 100 year curfew put on the inquirey?

it's all related.

Anyone who believes an experienced, high-profile and well-connected TV anchor (who has [iat least[/i another twenty years at the top providing he doesn't screw up and submit to the boiling piranha pool beneath him of eager contenders that covet his position) takes it upon himself - completely out of the blue - to harangue the PRIME MINISTER on live and national TV with a list of establishment paedophiles he "pulled off the internet" (FFS!) deserves a custodial sentence for naivety.

Anne Diamond has talked many times about the damage her career took pulling a similar stunt (on a far less explosive matter).

looks like Dave Lee Travis's career is now over.

Amazing how the powers that be have managed to turn all this away from a commons paedo ring.

It now looks like any woman who, as a 14 or 15 year old, threw themselves at ANY famous celebrity, is now allowed to have their 15 minutes of fame, while at the same time, destroying the reputation of that celebrity.

This whole thing has got to be stopped - You can't tell me that all these celebs (and there are bound to be many, many more exposed by our glorious media) are all paedophiles in the sense of what most people believe a paedophile is.

In my opinion, paedophilia is an adult knowingly forcing themselves on a minor, not an adult unwittingly sleeping with a willing participant, who happens to be underage, which is what I fear most of these cases will undoubtedly be.

To the letter of the law incorrect.

But you have a valid point, to me the phrase that said it all when the headlines were all about Savile was the number of young girls who confessed to being "abused" by him on several occasions and that being taken for a ride in his Rolls Royce had "a price to pay" for which they were willing to participate, repeatedly.

And lest we forget, no-one has been tried in a court of law yet, well, apart from Paul Gadd, and those who are alive and accused have all denied the charges, it will be interesting to see just how many of those arrests turn into convictions in future months/years, and there will be more accusations, many, many more.

McAlpine gets some compo. £185k

I bet there are hundreds, and I mean hundreds, of pop stars/celebrities from the last 50 years who are bricking it at the moment.

The problem is, the media have been happy enough promoting the heart throb image of countless pop acts, from the Beatles to the Bay City Rollers, Duran Duran, Bros, even upto One Direction nowadays, an image that as often involved young girls screaming and throwing themselves at these young, often naive, blokes, who must have thought it was Christmas, with all the girls on offer.....I don't think asking a girl her age is on a young bloke's mind, when the girl is offering it to you on a plate.

It now seems very hypocritical that the same media is now happily crucifying all these celebs who they have happily built up as some sort of demi-gods over the years.....It seems the 'build them up, knock them down mantra' is even more ruthless than normal.

And at the moment its focusing on those who were alleged to have been accepting what was handed on a plate in the 1960s and 70s, is it just cynical to believe that this is because they are easy prey, having been away from stardom for several decades and unlikely to now have the means to mount a robust and expensive defence whilst at the same time now being in their 60s and 70s and fitting the "dirty old man" image.

Will the spotlight turn on those who are still independently successful and wealthy and/or much younger when they can either fund a defence and attack, or not fit the predator profile with a pretty young face ?

Thats not to defend any who are guilty, but the media are VERY selective on who they crucify at times, and its worth repeating again NO-ONE has yet been charged let alone convicted..

NO-ONE has yet been charged let alone convicted.

And we don't know how many of these hundreds were coerced into it, or how many looked older than they were and threw themselves at the pop stars.

Jeez, when I think back to when I was eighteen and frequenting various discos around Yorks/Lancs, there's a few thousand probables for a start.

Ah you trend-setting cravat wearing old smoocher you, you're the sort who would frequent Rockafellers rather than Cinderellas and take a taxi home instead of walking five miles like I had to.