I have made it a little larger for you, not sure if you under stood the first or second time perhaps third time lucky. People do irrational things out of desperation, confusion and fear.

I also said


The prospect of death made me desperate and confused. I could have told him to Ferk off but what was the point "what harm can it do"?

For all we know (and we don't) there may be a God of Heaven and Earth just as much as there is a God of Rock?

I disagree. I'd be no more likely to pray to God than I would Santa Claus or the Tooth Fairy, desperate or not.



Most (all, I think) of the information I've read on the benefits of prayer, states that in properly-controlled experiments it's been shown to make no difference whatsoever. And I would have thought that the psychological aspect of saying 'something to someone' would be greatly improved if the person you were saying it to was real.

Ok, let [ime[/i make it easier for [iyou[/i. You said 'my heart is confused'. Not I was confused at the time, but now I am not. My heart [iis[/i confused.



And there we have it.

I think there are tremendous benefits to meditation, contemplation and the like. I can point to two friends who went from severely depressed to being in control of their lives by going down this route. It was meditation rather than an acceptance of prayer in both cases, but functionally I'm not sure there's much difference. If there is benefit for you then you should do it. I suspect cultural conditioning is going to be a major factor in what form feels most natural to you, whether that be acceptance or rejection of what you grew up with.

It's not as [url=http://scienceblogs.com/neurophilosophy/2009/07/swearing_increases_pain_tolerance.phpgood as swearing though[/url. That helps a fsck-ton.

If my geek memory serves, according to the Offical Handbook Of The Marvel Universe, Thor and the other Asgardians aren't immortal, just incredibly long lived.

I like that – I mean, I'd worked it out, but it's nice to read it.

In my last 10 seconds, I am converting.

Just in case I am wrong

I realise the topic has moved on somewhat, but imo the crux of the issue isn't actually the midwifery staff - it's that cutbacks all over the shop means that women having terminations at the GG&C hospitals are being cared for in the maternity unit. If they didn't operate on the very minimum amount of staff then the midwifery staff wouldn't be asked to help out. If they didn't put women who'd had terminations (and miscarriages) onto normal maternity wards post operation because they've cut the other beds then not only would the staff not be making their current point, but the women involved might be treated better* as well.

*By better I mean they wouldn't be subject to something that I think is horrendous (putting them on a normal maternity ward) rather than their actual nursing care.

I'm using this as my signature !

I concur.

I just thought I'd mention Nadine Dorries.

[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2012/jan/20/nadine-dorries-sexual-abstinence-bill-withdrawnHer bill on abstinence education – for girls only – has been withdrawn.[/url

Cue ss.

From Andrew Copson



The BHA have been doing some sterling work of late. They also had a hand in the decision to ban the teaching of creationism in our schools.

But surely if Dorries's bill became law and more teenage girls abstained, that would only lead to an increase in male homosexual behaviour?

They want to make thier minds up, these tories, do they want more slappers or more irons?

Mad Nad has had a change of heart, apparently:

[url=http://newsthump.com/2012/04/24/nadine-dorries-highlights-david-cameron-and-george-osborne-as-a-compelling-case-for-abortion/Nadine Dorries highlights David Cameron and George Osborne as a compelling case for abortion[/url

Amazingly a church funded study in the power of pray did show how it could harm.

What it found was that patients who were terminally ill showed no signs of improvement while being knowingly prayed for, but when told the praying had stopped they declined at a faster rate due to stress.

=#4000FFThis part is the typical drivel served out to justify "god".

Where all scared of dying, some just have the sense to deal with it.

I can't change how I felt at the time, as I said there was desperation and confusion. I would defy anybody to tell me they would not feel the same emotions when faced with death leaving your wife to cope.
Nowhere in any of my posts on this topic have I tried to justify God.



Sadly not the sense to construct a grammatically correct sentence.

Emotions no, actions yes.

If you were choking would you want me to perform the Heimlich Maneuver or pray?

I've misread it then, by putting "God's work?" it looked like justification.

If I was faced with the prospect of death, as I have said to you before, I wouldn't suddenly start entertaining the possibility that God might exist. In fact, the prospect of my early demise leaving my wife alone and grief-stricken would reinforce my near-certainty that there's nothing there.

I'm relying n the fact that any priest plucked from anywhere can give you complete absolution from anything you have ever done in your lifetime, on your deathbed, even if he's never met you before, I bet even Hitler found a priest to do that for him.

Its like the worlds best Get Out Of Jail Free card, ever.

Unless Christianity is the wrong religion, in which case it'll be "go straight to Hell, do not pass go, do not collect 200 virgins. Allah hates you."

Thats a good point.

How many religious representatives do you think you could gather around your deathbed during your final breaths ?

Just in case.


On the other hand I think we've just spotted a new business opportunity - savioursupermarket.com - you fill in all of your details and our search engine will automatically submit your final confession to all of the worlds deity's and seek online absolution for you, instantly, within one last breath.

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Well according to George Pell atheists will still get in heaven anyway, God's well forgiving!

I've no doubt Hiltler will have, his mate Eugenio Pacelli will have done it.

Jemima Khan wrote a New Statesman article claiming that 10 years ago or so, George Galloway went through a ceremony to convert to Islam. She claims that she put this to him in a taped interview and that he did not deny it.

Now Galloway is making a big fuss and threatening libel proceedings. He claims it is not true and that he did deny it.

Khan says her information is from someone who attended the alleged ceremony. I don't know whether Galloway is a muslim or not, and can't find anywhere where he has said one way or the other. The nearest I can find is a quote from the Blackburn (or was it Bradford) election where he said words to the effect of "God knows who is a muslim and who isn't".

Why does it matter? Does it matter? Why doesn't he just categorically say what (if any) his religion is? Surely in the case of an MP that is valid info for the public domain? Or maybe he HAS publicly stated what religion he is and I can't find it?

If it is untrue that he converted to Islam, how would alleging that he did make any right-minded person think worse of him? Or is he threatening libel on the grounds of effectively being called a liar?

I read somewhere else that George has won something like 30/30 previous libel actions so maybe the New Statesman should be worried?

Interesting to note that he "affirmed" the Loyal Oath on taking his seat in Parliament, as opposed to "swearing" on a religious text. It all seems a bit strange when viewed against his rabid catholicism of not so long ago