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| Quote ="bandgeekmafia78"What would be the purpose of faking the existence of the ISS? The only thing that comes to mind is that the massive budget for investment in NASA/ISS is covertly being used for something else.
Also, is it true that Flat Earthers believe that the ISS we can sometimes see in the sky is in fact a hologram projected from the North Pole?'"
Most modern flat-earthers are from the creationist christian camp, so they seek literal interpretation of the bible. This is fine but everything we've learned about reality, the bible has got spectacularly wrong. They have to stick to the basic tenets of their thinking that the earth is flat, so everything that may counter that argument has to be explained away in a way that best fits their own narrative. Anything in space is explained away in bizarre fashion, and space agencies around the world all have to be fakes. Satellites don't exist. The moon and sun are light sources and flat (Even though you can prove they're not) the list goes on and on. The lies and deliberate ignorance becomes staggering and they have no problem linking all these ridiculous ideas into one giant incoherent mess that they see as 'the truth' and the rest of us marvel at the lunacy.
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| [iQuote ="TheButcher"Most modern flat-earthers are from the creationist christian camp,.'"
Wrong Again. There's a whole mix bag of backgrounds whom have Geocentric views even Atheists.
Quote ="TheButcher"They have to stick to the basic tenets of their thinking that the earth is flat, so everything that may counter that argument has to be explained away in a way that best fits their own narrative'"
We don't have to stick to anything, my views are based on the fallacies and the lack of evidence of the GLOBE .There is no evidence to support the Spinning Globe Theory hence my Geocentric view. If anyone has an issue with narratives its you, as you swallow ALL mainstream narratives.
Quote ="TheButcher"Anything in, and space agencies around the world all have to be fakes. The moon and sun are light sources and flat (Even though you can prove they're not) the list goes on and on. .'"
How many times do you need reminding, You're obsessed with disputing my beliefs. All NASA's imagery are CGI composites its been proven umpteen times with a thread constituted to it where you post your elevator muzak. The Sun and Moon are absolutely their own light sources. Now i don't wish to be drawn in to a squabble about the earths shape AGAIN. You're superb at instigating these disputes. .[/i
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| Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"[iWrong Again. There's a whole mix bag of backgrounds whom have Geocentric views even Atheists.
We don't have to stick to anything, my views are based on the fallacies and the lack of evidence of the GLOBE .There is no evidence to support the Spinning Globe Theory hence my Geocentric view. If anyone has an issue with narratives its you, as you swallow ALL mainstream narratives.
How many times do you need reminding, You're obsessed with disputing my beliefs. All NASA's imagery are CGI composites its been proven umpteen times with a thread constituted to it where you post your elevator muzak. The Sun and Moon are absolutely their own light sources. Now i don't wish to be drawn in to a squabble about the earths shape AGAIN. You're superb at instigating these disputes. .[/i'"
I was replying to someone else, but I'm touched by your obsessive stalking. It wasn't me who brought up your flat earth belief it was you. Bandgeekmafia was asking about flat earthers as a group not Flat Stanley as an individual, and I replied to him referring to the group, not you. You could have replied to him about his question but resorted to more Ad Hom at me.
I'm sorry you feel so insecure.
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| Bandgeekmafia you can ignore Flat Stan, he is a true one off delusional and spends half his time trolling anyway. I did once ask him why, if the Earth is flat, the Moon looks upside down to a person in Australia. He still hasn't recovered from trying to figure that one out, but chooses to instead totally ignore such basic debunks, as they don't compute with his religious delusions.
If he wasn't trolling (the jury remains out) then he also seems to believe that there are no Sky / TV satellites, and that he receives all the full range of subscription Sky channels for free through his dish which according to him picks up some mysterious analogue terrestrial signals from somewhere. No dishes point to space, he says they all point to nearby towers. Yes, I know.
And there are no ISS and no satellites. Yes, I have pointed out that he can go out any clear night and watch hundreds of them for himself but he's scared to look as it wouldn't fit his delusions to see for himself.
Oh and yes, Antarctica doesn't exist, the edge of the Earth is bounded by a huge impenetrable ice wall, and flights claiming to fly that way never actually take off.
PS and indeed yes he does apparently believe that there is no ISS, it is a "holograph". This is transmitted in real time, from lord knows how many thousands of networked worldwide projectors that nobody has ever seen and all to fake a brightly glowing perfect image of the ISS 24/7 at any point on the Earth where its orbit happens to take it. Oh, and this here "holograph" is also a solid object in that when it crosses the face of the Sun or the Moon it's silhouette can be seen. Some holograph!
Poor Stan.
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| Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Bandgeekmafia you can ignore Flat Stan, he is a true one off delusional and spends half his time trolling anyway. I did once ask him why, if the Earth is flat, the Moon looks upside down to a person in Australia. He still hasn't recovered from trying to figure that one out, but chooses to instead totally ignore such basic debunks, as they don't compute with his religious delusions.
If he wasn't trolling (the jury remains out) then he also seems to believe that there are no Sky / TV satellites, and that he receives all the full range of subscription Sky channels for free through his dish which according to him picks up some mysterious analogue terrestrial signals from somewhere. No dishes point to space, he says they all point to nearby towers. Yes, I know.
And there are no ISS and no satellites. Yes, I have pointed out that he can go out any clear night and watch hundreds of them for himself but he's scared to look as it wouldn't fit his delusions to see for himself.
Oh and yes, Antarctica doesn't exist, the edge of the Earth is bounded by a huge impenetrable ice wall, and flights claiming to fly that way never actually take off.
PS and indeed yes he does apparently believe that there is no ISS, it is a "holograph". This is transmitted in real time, from lord knows how many thousands of networked worldwide projectors that nobody has ever seen and all to fake a brightly glowing perfect image of the ISS 24/7 at any point on the Earth where its orbit happens to take it. Oh, and this here "holograph" is also a solid object in that when it crosses the face of the Sun or the Moon it's silhouette can be seen. Some holograph!
Poor Stan.'"
Hahahaha another obsessed Sheep. Baaaaa
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| [iQuote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Bandgeekmafia you can ignore Flat Stan, he is a true one off delusional and spends half his time trolling anyway.'"
Here he is Gob on legs, everyones a loon who disagrees with you. Hahaha Troll. That assumption is the your last line of defence. Its similar to [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_lawGodwins Law.[/url
Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark". I did once ask him why, if the Earth is flat, the Moon looks upside down to a person in Australia. He still hasn't recovered from trying to figure that one out, but chooses to instead totally ignore such basic debunks, as they don't compute with his religious delusions. '"
Wrong... I answered the Australia =#BF0000Moon perspective perfectly on another thread. Remember. You replied with the same vitriolic rants. My answer is disregarded without investigation. Rather pointless justifying my riposte.
Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark" He seems to believe that there are no Sky / TV satellites, and that he receives all the full range of subscription Sky channels for free through his dish which according to him picks up some mysterious analogue terrestrial signals from somewhere. No dishes point to space, he says they all point to nearby towers. Yes, I know.
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Wrong again....As I have already explained. I have a television package that requires a dish to receive the analogue data from Sky, which feeds to my Digital receiver which then transforms the analogue data to Digital which then feeds to my WIFI Hub, which connects to my mates server through the internet and Boom i've got every channel going through the internet without Sky even knowing. Hahaha Satellites my ass. £40 a year for 4 boxes.I ain't lying. The dish is just a posh aeriel and it doesn't point to space. Hahaha.
Quote ="Ferocious Aardvark"Oh and yes, Antarctica doesn't exist, the edge of the Earth is bounded by a huge impenetrable ice wall, and flights claiming to fly that way never actually take off..'"
Antarctica is completely cut off and out of bounds for anyone to investigate due to the treaty what governs all activity there. Nobody has ventured internally since Admiral Byrd did with the American military in the 1950's under Operation Deepfreeze. Nobody is allowed to venture inland only private coastal trips are permitted. I wonder why.... Now lets see if you can break your record of most vitriolic ad hominem attacks in one post. Loser....[/i
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| Quote ="FLAT STANLEY" That assumption is the your last line of defence.'"
"Defence"?? Against what? Stanley, the forum's very own Black Knight?
Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"Wrong... I answered the Australia =#BF0000Moon perspective perfectly on another thread. My answer is disregarded without investigation '"
You know you eventually posted some utter nonsense about a lamp in a room, it was real headscratching drivel, when challenged on that particular gem, even you had no clue WTF you were saying. It did raise a good laugh, but was arrant nonsense.
Quote ="FLAT STANLEY".Wrong again....As I have already explained. I have a television package that requires a dish to receive the analogue data from Sky, which feeds to my Digital receiver which then transforms the analogue data to Digital which then feeds to....... The dish is just a posh aeriel and it doesn't point to space. Hahaha.'"
See this is you trolling, N*O*B*O*D*Y would be as stupid as to believe you're being serious.
Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"... my WIFI Hub, which connects to my mates server through the internet and Boom i've got every channel going through the internet without Sky even knowing. .Hahaha Satellites my ass. £40 a year for 4 boxes.I ain't lying '"
Wait ... you now claim that you get Channels via an internet server! Do you even know what you mean from one minute to the next? Stan, we can all watch pirated content over the internet if we want to, poor lad.
Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"Antarctica is completely cut off and out of bounds for anyone to investigate due to the treaty what governs all activity there. Nobody has ventured internally since Admiral Byrd did with the American military in the 1950's under Operation Deepfreeze. Nobody is allowed to venture inland only private coastal trips are permitted. I wonder why.... '"
"Coastal"? So your "great ice wall" is in fact a "coast" that people can go on "trips" to? How does that work? How do these "private trips" get to Antarctica? You obviously know all about them, who runs them, and where do we book them?
It's encouraging, though, that today you do at least believe that there IS an Antarctica, and this is real progress Stan, unless you forget again later on.
Well done again for claiming that Byrd travelled "internally", you don't seem to grasp that he couldn't actually travel internally unless there was somewhere internal to travel to, but then I suppose it is hard to keep up with such grand delusions and you're bound to make such mistakes.
But, well done you for realising that when a person does venture into Antarctica, they'd be travelling "inland". As of course they would, seeing as it's at the south end of a globe. It would be good if you were somehow able to hang on to this moment of clarity.
Here's a trip photo for your consideration - a party of skiers arriving at the South Pole in 2009. CGI?
Amundsen-Scott permanent South Pole Base
Just for you, Stan, a map showing you where this really is:
To help you get your bearings, here's a view from space, courtesy of Apollo 17
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| Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"Antarctica is completely cut off and out of bounds for anyone to investigate due to the treaty what governs all activity there. Nobody has ventured internally since Admiral Byrd did with the American military in the 1950's under Operation Deepfreeze. Nobody is allowed to venture inland only private coastal trips are permitted. I wonder why....'"
Comedy gold Stan, comedy gold.
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| Are there White Walkers at this Ice Wall? I like a good conspiracy theory but the Flat Earth one just seems a bit far-fetched.
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For a place no-one is allowed, it's a bit odd that you can even book a place on an expedition to ski to the South Pole itself.
Here's a link, at the time of posting there is one place left. Cost US$128,000.
www.icetrek.com/south-pole-new-r ... escription
It must be hard to get people to pay that amount of money if there isn't a South Pole to actually go to. I mean, wouldn't the average customer be a tad pis[size=5 =#FFFFFF.[/sizesed off about that?
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Here's a link, at the time of posting there is one place left. Cost US$128,000.
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It must be hard to get people to pay that amount of money if there isn't a South Pole to actually go to. I mean, wouldn't the average customer be a tad pis[size=5 =#FFFFFF.[/sizesed off about that?
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"Defence"?? Against what? Stanley, the forum's very own=#FF0000 Black Knight? You know you eventually posted some=#BF0000 utter nonsense about a lamp in a room, it was real headscratching=#BF0000 drivel, when challenged on that particular gem, =#BF0000even you had no clue WTF you were saying. It did raise a good laugh, but was=#400000 arrant nonsense. See this is you=#BF0000 trollingN*O*B*O*D*Y would be as=#BF0000 stupid as to believe you're being serious.
Wait ... you now claim that you get Channels via an internet server! Do you even know what you mean from one minute to the next? Stan, we can all watch pirated content over the internet if we want to, poor lad.
Well done again for claiming that Byrd travelled "internally", you don't seem to grasp that he couldn't actually travel internally unless there was somewhere internal to travel to, but then I suppose it is hard to keep up with such grand=#BF0000 delusions and you're bound to make such mistakes.
But, well done you for realising that when a person does venture into Antarctica, they'd be travelling "inland". As of course they would, seeing as it's at the south end of a globe. It would be good if you were somehow able to hang on to this moment of clarity.: Here's a trip photo for your consideration - a party of skiers arriving at the South Pole in 2009. CGI?
Amundsen-Scott permanent South Pole Base. Just for you, Stan,=#800000 a map showing you where this really is:To help you get your bearings, here's a view from space, courtesy of Apollo 17 '" [/i
[iSee this clown cannot debate without vitriolic Ad Hom abuse.. See my pearls of answers really get your cognitive dissonance super charging hence the keyboard flex and vex. We've been over and over these arguments before so why are you trolling and instigating trouble with your rather embarrassingly tirades. Now the Moon analogy again i explained and your still don't/won't/can't grasp the perspective because you're so vexed and closed minded to even contemplate it just like Dr Judy Wood book you criticise blindly before outweighing factual evidence. Here's an idiots guide to [url=https://youtu.be/4TmklLn6U6wMoon Perspective[/url to make you understand...
With regards to my TV package, again you can't seem to grasp this fact. Theres hundreds of thousands of folk who have this subscription. Its not illegal and it certainly not piracy. Are you jealous your vexed reply suggests so. Satellites dishes are nothing more than an analogue glorified aerial period.
Antarctica... Nobody yes nobody is allowed at the supposed geographical South Pole, So they have an imitation glass sphere'd ball object at a private location which isn't the real so called geographical south pole. Theres only so far you can venture in. Treaty regulations. Hard luck.you should research a bit harder.
Now this what i find hilarious. CGI alert. The fake Blue Marble which is CGI, wheres the star constellations in the background....
No doubt you'll repeat more questions which i've proven before followed with more vitriol. [/i
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| Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"glass sphere'd ball object'"
I take it 'glass sphere'd ball object' refers to the Ceremonial South Pole?
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| Stan have you heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect? I think this might apply to you.
[urlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect[/url
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| [iQuote ="bandgeekmafia78"Stan have you heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect? I think this might apply to you.'"
Hey thanks for that. I won't lower my aptitude to your level. However i used to think/believe in all mainstream bull like you until i researched a lot of phenomena which lead to a great awakening. Nice to see your assumption of a Dunning Kruger patient is blitzing you on the prediction league on the Salford forum.Hahahaha who's got Dunning Krugers again.
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| Quote ="bandgeekmafia78"Stan have you heard of the Dunning-Kruger effect? I think this might apply to you.
[urlhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect[/url'"
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| Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"[iHey thanks for that. I won't lower my aptitude to your level. However i used to think/believe in all mainstream bull like you until i researched a lot of phenomena which lead to a great awakening. Nice to see your assumption of a Dunning Kruger patient is blitzing you on the prediction league on the Salford forum.Hahahaha who's got Dunning Krugers again.
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I don't believe in all mainstream bull; I just don't accept that the World is flat
With regards to the prediction league, I missed the first week. Lets see how we get on over the course of the season. I'm even giving you a head start
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| [iQuote ="bandgeekmafia78"I don't believe in all mainstream bull; I just don't accept that the World is flat
With regards to the prediction league, I missed the first week. Lets see how we get on over the course of the season. I'm even giving you a head start
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Fair comment. I don't wish to derail your belief system but subjecting an individual to Ad Hom attacks without even knowing or researching what Geocentrism is all about is just folly really and uncalled for. Would you subject a Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Sikh to the same abuse for having varied views, Only that'd be classed as Racism. That's the difference.. Call me crazy you're no different than the other reprobates.
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| Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"[iFair comment. I don't wish to derail your belief system but subjecting an individual to Ad Hom attacks without even knowing or researching what Geocentrism is all about is just folly really and uncalled for. Would you subject a Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Sikh to the same abuse for having varied views, Only that'd be classed as Racism. That's the difference.. Call me crazy you're no different than the other reprobates.
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With all due respect Stan, you have been subjecting the 'non-believers' to the exact same abuse, so that argument doesn't really carry any merit.
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| Quote ="bandgeekmafia78"With all due respect Stan, you have been subjecting the 'non-believers' to the exact same abuse, so that argument doesn't really carry any merit.'"
He thinks because we don't believe in a flat earth we are all slaves to mainstream media. I haven't bought a mainstream media newspaper since the late 1990s but I still get branded a sheep by the flat one.
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| Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"[iWould you subject a Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Sikh to the same abuse for having varied views, Only that'd be classed as Racism.
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It's not racism it's criticism of bad ideas and statements. All that people have been doing is pointing out ridiculous claims and statements. From Flat earth to holographic satellites and beyond. Calling someones ideas lunacy and stupid is not racism. Even calling someone mental isn't racist. I know you're a christian, I don't know which denomination, but it wouldn't matter if you were a Jew, Hindu, or a muslim with the same views. Those views are still open to criticism whether you like it or not.
You need to stop kidding yourself that you're the victim, while subjecting everyone who disagrees with you to the same levels of abuse that allow you to get on the victim bandwagon.
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| Quote ="TheButcher"It's not racism it's criticism of bad ideas and statements. All that people have been doing is pointing out ridiculous claims and statements. From Flat earth to holographic satellites and beyond. Calling someones ideas lunacy and stupid is not racism. Even calling someone mental isn't racist. I know you're a christian, I don't know which denomination, but it wouldn't matter if you were a Jew, Hindu, or a muslim with the same views. Those views are still open to criticism whether you like it or not.
You need to stop kidding yourself that you're the victim, while subjecting everyone who disagrees with you to the same levels of abuse that allow you to get on the victim bandwagon.'"
[iYou make me want to go to sleep. Bore off.
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| Quote ="bandgeekmafia78"With all due respect Stan, you have been subjecting the 'non-believers' to the exact same abuse, so that argument doesn't really carry any merit.'"
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| Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"[iHmmm don't think so. I never call people with cranial insults. I may say sheople, sheep, or Borg. [/i'"
Nearly every reply to a post is laced with sarcasm, condescending bites, insults, and arrogance. Yet you don't see it?
I think most people would be friendly and gentle if you weren't such a horrible, nasty, reactionary individual. I think you've been ingesting too much mercury from those fillings...
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| Quote ="TheButcher"Nearly every reply to a post is laced with sarcasm, condescending bites, insults, and arrogance. Yet you don't see it? I think most people would be friendly and gentle if you weren't such a=#BF0000 horrible, nasty, reactionary individual. I think you've been ingesting too much mercury from those fillings...'"
[iGee whiz how hypocritical. ZZZZZZZ[/i
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| Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"See this clown cannot debate without vitriolic Ad Hom abuse.'"
"This clown". Your second and third words are ad hom abuse! That's a rapid start!
Let's see how you continued:
Quote ... your cognitive dissonance super charging
... keyboard flex and vex.
....so why are you trolling
....because you're so vexed and closed minded
... you criticise blindly before outweighing factual evidence.
...Here's an idiots guide '"
See, this is YOU, Stan, you never make a post without coming across as the world's biggest asshole. And then you claim it is other people being "ad hominem".
Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"Antarctica... Nobody yes nobody is allowed at the supposed geographical South Pole, So they have an imitation glass sphere'd ball object at a private location which isn't the real so called geographical south pole. Theres only so far you can venture in. Treaty regulations. Hard luck.you should research a bit harder. '"
See, most everyone knows that there is a permanent base at the South Pole, and many people do go there, there is as much evidence as any reasonable person would need.
But your response is the same as it always is - you simply make a bald claim that whatever evidence there is, it's not true, and you would do the same whatever happened. Even if you were taken there.
And thatis delusional. That isn't "ad hom" but a statement of truth. You are often delusional. You deny the existence of things even where they are in plain sight. Like the ISS - you refuse to look, even though your own eyes could see it. Because you prefer to stick to your "it doesn't exist" delusion.
Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"Now this what i find hilarious. CGI alert. The fake Blue Marble which is CGI, wheres the star constellations in the background....'"
It really is idiotic for you to use that "argument". Even if it wasn't bleedin' obvious (the image is exposed for a bright planet, not extremely faint stars) your objection relies on "them" yet again carelessly "forgetting" to fake a star background for one of the most seminal images of the century! If you really believe that then you would truly be neutron-star dense. Are you?
Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"No doubt you'll repeat more questions which i've proven before followed with more vitriol. [/i'"
We've been over and over these arguments before '"
No, I have been over many arguments before, and YOU always swerve them with abuse, sarcasm, dotty YouTube links or other swerevs which comprise 99% of your standard posts.
You almost NEVER go over any single argument ANYONE puts to you, so do not lie that you do.
Quote ="FLAT STANLEY"Now the Moon analogy again i explained and your still don't/won't/can't grasp the perspective '"
You didn't!. You came up with a completely bogus scenarion about a lamp in a room, which would disgrace a 6 year old! I merely pointed that out, and have been awaiting your reasoned explanation as to why the Moon looks upside down from Australia ever since. But I of course know you will never respond
a) because you never present a cogent argument, ever, to anyone
b) and because you need to cling to this delusion, you prefer not to think about it
Now, going back to some of the points you swerved, YOU said that Byrd travelled "internally", I said you don't seem to grasp that he couldn't actually travel internally unless there was somewhere internal to travel to. But you ignore it.
YOU said that when a person does venture into Antarctica, they'd be travelling "inland". As of course they would, seeing as it's at the south end of a globe.
How do you explain Byrd, or anyone, travelling "inland", when you claim there IS no land and when even if there were, on your "flat" model, "inland" is the opposite of where a person would be heading - presumably they'd fall off the other side of your ice wall and be eaten by a turtle or something?
But as ever, you will not and do not respond. You just throw out your standard, tiresome, bilious smokescreen.
That's why everyone concludes you have nothing to say, because you never debate, you never argue, you never consider anything that conflicts with your personal dogma and so you say nothing. You hide behind other delusionals YouTube drivel and don't actually have a view of your own, or if you do, it is never one that you can articulate.
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