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| [url=http://www.politicshome.com/uk/article/50527/telldaveeverything_it_could_get_worse.htmlWhat we can expect[/url
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Assuming that t'interwebby and e-mails had yet to be invented.
Would this or any other government propose intercepting, opening and photocopying every letter that was posted to, from or within the UK?
And what do you presume would be the reaction?'"
It's mind blowing. And it was entirely bad enough when Labour proposed such plans, but for the Tories to have (rightly) opposed them then and now forgotten that makes it stink even more (if possible).
And really – this cobblers about 'if you have nothing to hide '...
Hey, let's all be so scared that we sleepwalk into an Orwellian reality. Do the people who claim that 'if you've done nothing wrong' actually have absolutely nothing whatsoever in their lives that they wouldn't want to share with everybody else? Really?
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| [url=http://twitpic.com/9572ut/fullTomorrow's Indy front page[/url
Be interesting to read the details but I can hear screeching brakes even now, I wouldn't completely rule out a handbrake turn
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| If that's correct, then would that be a record for a u-turn by this lot?
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| Quote ="Saddened!"As ever, the only people who will lose out over this are people with something to hide.'" What if what you have to hide isnt illegal?
Quote I personally don't care if they have access to everything I do. If it saves one life, it's worth it IMO.'"
What are you doing where the government would need unfettered access to your communications to save a life?
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| Quote ="Mintball"If that's correct, then would that be a record for a u-turn by this lot?'"
There have been so many that they really are proving themselves to be incompetent.
Problem is that what they are doing is flying kites.
They are merely puppets dancing to the tune being played by more extreme puppeteers behind the screens, they have been told that there has to be extremely deep cuts, that there has to be a complete clampdown on freedoms, both press and public and rather than take considered decisions they are leaking details to the press and waiting to see what the reaction is, its almost like government by constant opinion poll instead of government by leadership.
We all know this now and we all know what tools to use to register our disapproval, more than ever before its possible to immediately register your objection to policies and so this government more than any seem perfectly happy to keep playing this game, and making themselves look weak and leaderless at the same time.
Its almost like they know now that there won't be another term after this one and the agenda has to be writ in law ASAP.
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| Throw in the proposals for government to withold evidence in trials and we're approaching a state that Kim Jong Il would've been proud to lead.
I can't help this sneaking suspicion that some are deliberately seeking to provoke a response, in order to have an excuse to crack down on the miscreants. That's one way of reducing the headcount and by extension, the welfare bill.
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[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/apr/04/human-rights-committee-hidden-justiceClegg demands rethink on secret justice plans[/url
What was it Saddened said about "if you've got nothing to hide?"
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[url=http://conservativehome.blogs.com/thetorydiary/2012/04/ten-reasons-to-be-proud-of-what-this-prime-minister-is-doing.htmlTen reasons to be proud of Cameron[/url'"
You need to be desperate to proclaim this as one of the ten best things your party leader has done during his term as Prime Minister...
5. A higher and more sustainable retirement age.
First of all WTF is a "sustainable" retirement age other than an unwillingness and long standing inability of all governments to tackle the issue of state pensions ?
And secondly - why be proud of the fact that you are forcing (not even asking) your citizens to work for more years than previously - I would have thought that LOWERING the retirement age would be something to be proud of.
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"... And secondly - why be proud of the fact that you are forcing (not even asking) your citizens to work for more years than previously - I would have thought that LOWERING the retirement age would be something to be proud of.'"
It's a bit like the [iWail[/i declaring, a year or so ago, that one of the very greatest bits of St Maggie of Grantham's legacy was that we in the UK are now the only Europeans who are working longer than in the 1980s (even though our GDP has fallen but don't let's mention that).
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"You need to be desperate to proclaim this as one of the ten best things your party leader has done during his term as Prime Minister...
5. A higher and more sustainable retirement age.'"
Or "not quite got immigration under control as we'd have liked"
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| Quote ="McLaren_Field"You need to be desperate to proclaim this as one of the ten best things your party leader has done during his term as Prime Minister...
5. A higher and more sustainable retirement age.
First of all WTF is a "sustainable" retirement age other than an unwillingness and long standing inability of all governments to tackle the issue of state pensions ?
And secondly - why be proud of the fact that you are forcing (not even asking) your citizens to work for more years than previously - I would have thought that LOWERING the retirement age would be something to be proud of.'"
I was rather hoping they'd add:
11) Hasn't declared war on Iran (yet)
12) Hasn't been caught shagging a goat
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| Quote ="cod'ead"12) Hasn't been caught shagging a goat'"
That would be the appropriate way of phrasing it for the Tory spin machine as well.
"We're not saying he doesn't shag goats, or that he hasn't at some point in the past shagged one, but he certainly hasn't been caught doing it. At least not by anyone who lived long enough to tell the rest of the world what they saw."
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| Quote ="cod'ead" ... 12) Hasn't been caught shagging a goat'"
He has admitted that he rode Rebekah Wade's horse ... maybe that was just a euphemism though.
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[url=http://www.guardian.co.uk/law/2012/apr/04/human-rights-committee-hidden-justiceClegg demands rethink on secret justice plans[/url
What was it Saddened said about "if you've got nothing to hide?"'"
I like to think I have a vivid imagination, I have a flair for exaggeration and can make the mundane seem colourful and interesting at the drop of a hat. But I am foooked if I can imagine Nick Clegg "demanding" anything other than another spanking from matron.
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There are other items on that list which are not-even-thinly-disguised bull droppings, such as...
Quote The ending of restrictions on local councils should mean a flowering of local innovation in the years ahead as local people, free of central control, experiment with new ways of delivering services and then other councils emulate their approaches'"
All of which is meaningless, unless it means that I, as a local person, can approach Leeds City Council and tell them I'd like to experiment with one of their refuse trucks for a month as I think I can empty the bins quicker than the council staff can.
On the other hand Biffa tried that one with the council and they all went out on strike for three months.
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All of which is meaningless, unless it means that I, as a local person, can approach Leeds City Council and tell them I'd like to experiment with one of their refuse trucks for a month as I think I can empty the bins quicker than the council staff can.
On the other hand Biffa tried that one with the council and they all went out on strike for three months.'"
I could say, my company is withdrawing all customer support, this should allow innovation in problem solving that we can then claim credit for.
You have be a special kind of stupid to fall for this.
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You have be a special kind of stupid to fall for this.'"
... and even many of the Tories posters comments after the article are not that dumb.
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| [url=http://liberalconspiracy.org/2012/04/05/there-arent-any-security-reasons-to-introduce-secret-courts/Yet more lies from the lying liars that tell them[/url
[iJustice Secretary Ken Clarke defended the Government’s dangerous secret justice plans on the grounds that the changes were needed to reassure a “nervous” CIA which had “started cutting back” on intelligence-sharing with the UK. [/i
This despite never discussing the issue with US authorities
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[i“the Central Intelligence Agency would never hold any information back from the British that was important to their domestic security, or to the security of their people and facilities overseas.”[/i
So, more bollox then eh?
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So, more bollox then eh?
Mind you, if you've got nothing to hide...'"
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WTF they'll be doing with it is anyone's guess but I suppose it'll keep another few rozzers off the streets and give someone else an opportunity to flog some tasty tit-bits.
With what's happening at Leveson at the moment, I'm even more convinced the Met has completely disconnected from reality.
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WTF they'll be doing with it is anyone's guess but I suppose it'll keep another few rozzers off the streets and give someone else an opportunity to flog some tasty tit-bits.
With what's happening at Leveson at the moment, I'm even more convinced the Met has completely disconnected from reality.'"
"Sarge, theres this bloke in Leeds who must be a bit dodgy, all he ever texts to his own daughters is the word "OK", thats all he's ever sent in a text message, ever, look we've got years worth of data on him, "OK" is all he ever puts, "Dad, pick me up now", "OK", do you think its a code Sarge ?"
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