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| Quote ="Sheldon"Unpopular decisions? Have you not read what they tried to do?'"
Wait...Wait for it...If we're all very quiet and listen very carefully we might just hear the sound of a Wikipedia page opening
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"But that's the point Ferocious old chap ... whilst Morsi was democratically elected, he then went off at a tangent, giving himself "temporary" powers to enact whatever law he chose, thereby somewhat undermining what I (and a significant bunch of people in Tahrir Square) think of as democracy and leading many to believe that he was misusing his mandate by heading towards a government run by Islam rather than by secular process.'"
Well, yes; which is why I've repeatedly explained that same point myself
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| Quote ="Rock God X"....
Well if you were being funny, I apologise. '"
Steady on. No need for girlie stuff.
Quote ="Rock God X"....It didn't come across that way. Perhaps in future you could assist by making sure that your funny comments are actually funny.
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My humour is [ialways[/i funny, but for many, it's just ahead of its time. Oh and I do regularly predict hypothetical future consequences. My bookie's flash motor is a fair measure of my success.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"Isn't that a problem with the way the constitution is/was drafted as much as Morsi's wish to impose Islamic law on his people? Shouldn't any constitution contain safeguards to prevent any one person having the power (temporary or otherwise) to enact laws unilaterally?'"
Yes indeed.
I think you've put your finger on it right there.
So, who gets to draw up a constitution?
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| You've all got it wrong: [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/10159983/It-is-capitalism-not-democracy-that-the-Arab-world-needs-most.htmlit's capitalism, not democracy, that Egypt needs now.[/url
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Yes indeed.
I think you've put your finger on it right there.
So, who gets to draw up a constitution?'"
The aardvark's a lawyer, isn't he? I reckon he should have a crack at it.
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| Just don't tell the guinea pigs.
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| Quote ="Rock God X"The aardvark's a lawyer, isn't he? I reckon he should have a crack at it.'"
Would the Egyptians appreciate the couple of spoof clauses included for a laugh though?
No offence, Ferocious.
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| Quote ="Mintball"You've all got it wrong: [url=http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/egypt/10159983/It-is-capitalism-not-democracy-that-the-Arab-world-needs-most.htmlit's capitalism, not democracy, that Egypt needs now.[/url'"
And while I haven't seen any evidence either way suggesting the army was behind the protests, surely democracy is about the [upeople[/u deciding, and if a "democratically-elected" president goes off the deep-end as Morsi appears to have done, surely it's still democratic for the people to say enough is enough and go on the march again?
I may be misinterpreting it and tbh I haven't read up a great deal but although the army are clearly benefitting, are they not just supporting the new popular uprising?
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| Quote ="Chris28"And while I haven't seen any evidence either way suggesting the army was behind the protests, surely democracy is about the [upeople[/u deciding, and if a "democratically-elected" president goes off the deep-end as Morsi appears to have done, surely it's still democratic for the people to say enough is enough and go on the march again?
I may be misinterpreting it and tbh I haven't read up a great deal but although the army are clearly benefitting, are they not just supporting the new popular uprising?'"
TBH, I haven't been reading that much on it either. But it struck me that this analysis, if nothing else, tells us that the [iTelegraph[/i – or at least this writer – appears to conclude that capitalism is not the same as democracy. Which sounds very different from all the old Cold War rhetoric.
Not only that, but the really important thing is private property ownership, without which you have chaos and terror and violence. Just like in the UK before the entire right-to-buy push in the 1980s.
It also ignores things such as the oil and even tourist industries in Egypt, which rather seem organised as capitalist industries on the basis of what I understand of them.
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| Now the Army are gunning people down the pro-democracy protesters in the street. Oh dear.
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| Quote ="Ajw71"Now the Army are gunning people down the pro-democracy protesters in the street. Oh dear.'"
Unfortunately that's what happens when you advance/storm on places where the army are.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Unfortunately that's what happens when you advance/storm on places where the army are.'"
Doesn't justify killing innocent demonstrators. There are many ways to quell a protest, indiscriminately firing into a group of people isn't the way to do it.
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| Quote ="Ajw71"Doesn't justify killing innocent demonstrators. There are many ways to quell a protest, indiscriminately firing into a group of people isn't the way to do it.'"
Are you saying that the protests should have been quelled?
If so, how then should the very large number of people make their objections heard when the elected gives himself absolute power?
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Are you saying that the protests should have been quelled?
If so, how then should the very large number of people make their objections heard when the elected gives himself absolute power?'"
Forget it mate, he's already managed to confuse pro-Morsi supporters with pro-democracy supporters
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| Quote ="Ajw71"Doesn't justify killing innocent demonstrators. There are many ways to quell a protest, indiscriminately firing into a group of people isn't the way to do it.'"
Like you'd know anything about been in fear of your life.
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| Quote ="Sheldon"Like you'd know anything about been in fear of your life.'"
How is that relevant?
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| Quote ="Ajw71"How is that relevant?'"
It could be one of the contributing factors why rounds were fired.
So really relevant.
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| Quote ="El Barbudo, addressing Ajw71,"Are you saying that the protests should have been quelled?
If so, how then should the very large number of people make their objections heard when the elected gives himself absolute power?'"
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"No reply?'"
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| Quote ="Sheldon"It could be one of the contributing factors why rounds were fired.
So really relevant.'"
Oh please. The Army were sitting there in armoured cars. How many casualties did they suffer...They also used live rounds before tear gas.
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| Quote ="Ajw71"Oh please. The Army were sitting there in armoured cars. How many casualties did they suffer...They also used live rounds before tear gas.'"
Having read alot of the reports I'm well aware what happened.
You pick a side and never change your mind, you can't see anything from any other point of view.
Oh please indeed.
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| Quote ="Ajw71"Oh please. The Army were sitting there in armoured cars. How many casualties did they suffer...They also used live rounds before tear gas.'"
What did you expect them to do, sit in fooking deckchairs reading the newspaper? Egyptian demonstrations, whether political or even soccer, do have some previous
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| Quote ="El Barbudo, addressing Ajw71 (again),"Are you saying that the protests should have been quelled?
If so, how then should the very large number of people make their objections heard when the elected gives himself absolute power?'"
Just wondering if you want to engage in the actual discussion.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"What did you expect them to do, sit in fooking deckchairs reading the newspaper? Egyptian demonstrations, whether political or even soccer, do have some previous'"
I expect them to show restraint and not gun down people in the street.
The frustrating issue is that all the bloodshed was unnecessary. If the army hadn't waded in and removed an elected politician, who it has become apparent from the sheer number of demonstrators was actually popular with large numbers, all this could have been avoided. As it is, Egypt will probably become another Syria.
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