There are already stories coming out of Syria that at least some of the rebels are Islamic extremists. So what with Russia backing Assad's regime and Israel rattling the sabres over that, it has the potential to get very messy.

And what happened in Iran, with Islamic fundamentalists taking over that revolution should teach us something. I couldn't quite 'get' why so many people were so excited about the Arab Spring. It seemed more like a case of: 'let's wait and see what actually happens'.

But I still think the point about Saudi Arabia stands: there's a lot of money form there that has gone into promoting that particularly fundamentalist Muslim sect and yet we happily continue to do business with them (albeit there being a difference between the regime/monarchy and the clerics).

Oil, I guess.

It's also quite handy to have a heavily armed friend in the region to 'keep the peace'.

Your point on the Russian missiles. It seems like Israel, Britain etc. are unhappy, not because the armarments may be used against the uprising, but because with them, it would be extremely difficult to bomb the cack out of Syria.

And the whole 'better the devil you know', perhaps.



Israel claims to be happy because of the links between the Assad regime and Hezbollah, but yes, it would make it a damned sight harder.

The (latest mentioned) Russian weapons are surface-to-air missiles.
As the rebels don't have any planes, these weapons are not to "balance out" anything that the UK, France or US might supply, they are to deter the likes of Syria's neighbours from bombing anything in Syria.
Russia's message is to those states primarily and I suspect those missiles would have been supplied regardless of the recent EU talks outcome.
Nonetheless, it is another ramping-up of the stakes in preparation for a proxy war that could and probably will be unwinnable by anyone and will kill hundreds of thousands of innocents.

This is not actually "about" Syria, it is about the differing agendas of Russia and the US regarding the middle-East in general, centred on attitudes towards Israel.
Syria is to be the battleground.

^ This.

Eee, it's almost like the good old days.

I would suggest you look here. answering-islam.org/Silas/apostasy.htm Believe it or not there are threads about if it's ok to sleep on your front. Even the normal people would be classed as nutters. Trust me, these guys are mainstream.

I would suggest you look here. answering-islam.org/Silas/apostasy.htm Believe it or not there are threads about if it's ok to sleep on your front. Even the normal people would be classed as nutters. Trust me, these guys are mainstream.

Quote ="billypop"I would suggest you look here. answering-islam.org/Silas/apostasy.htm Believe it or not there are threads about if it's ok to sleep on your front. Even the normal people would be classed as nutters. Trust me, these guys are mainstream.'" Sorry but, as the website seems to be unavailable, you may need to articulate your point. What is it?

Quote ="billypop"I would suggest you look here. answering-islam.org/Silas/apostasy.htm Believe it or not there are threads about if it's ok to sleep on your front. Even the normal people would be classed as nutters. Trust me, these guys are mainstream.'" Sorry but, as the website seems to be unavailable, you may need to articulate your point. What is it?

I see the UAF (United alongside fascism) managed to get 50+ of their number arrested last weekend.

Quite ironic that they claim to be 'anti fascist' but like to try and cave the heads in of those who disagree with them.

I think you are struggling with the meanings of "anti fascist" and "ironic".
Does your mum know you're playing with the computer again?

I think you are struggling full stop....

Are you still in mourning?

Oh ouch, no, no, please stop.

What's your point?
Assuming a) you have one and b) can articulate it.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/paul-va ... 77094.html

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/paul-va ... 77094.html

Yes, I've read that.
UAF people arrested for refusing to leave.
One bloodied BNP nose.

What's your point?

That it means the BNP are not fascists?
Or what?

I've made my point.

I must have missed it.
Bye.

It took me a while to get round to reading this as I knew what to expect, it didn't let me down:

1 - There are many wannabe pedestal hoggers claiming the human rights yadda yadda yadda etc etc etc position.

2- There are people just too thick to measure.

3 - Racism is Racism, it doesn't differentiate.

Only point of note worth making from me:

A young man with a young family was murdered by too very disturbed individuals, pre-meditated and justice will be served, life in this case with mean life.

Is this a worrying development (or just a co-incidence)? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ed-in.html

Is this a worrying development (or just a co-incidence)? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ed-in.html

Quote ="Dally"Is this a worrying development (or just a co-incidence)? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ed-in.html'" Don't know. It's a bit early to pin it definitely on EDL, tempting though that is. I guess the police will need to find out if the graffiti and the arson (if such it was) were done at the same time ... and, obviously, by whom. Personally, I won't be jerking my knees.

Quote ="Dally"Is this a worrying development (or just a co-incidence)? www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... ed-in.html'" Don't know. It's a bit early to pin it definitely on EDL, tempting though that is. I guess the police will need to find out if the graffiti and the arson (if such it was) were done at the same time ... and, obviously, by whom. Personally, I won't be jerking my knees.

Or, one hopes, anything else.

Is that another of your "moral" taboos ?

It's not something I'd condone.

Is it too obvious to suggest that you seem to do rather a lot of it.

I'm sure that, knowing that, he'll think twice before knocking one out in future.

I wish his dad had