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| Quote ="El Barbudo"Actually, his famous example was that burying bottles of money for people to dig up would be better than nothing but better still would be building houses.
I think this is one of those rare occasions that you and I agree.
The sort of stimulus that I was meaning is the sort that you are mentioning here.
Either way, I don't see Osborne either burying bottles or deficit-spending on infrastructure roads/housing etc.
I do see in the NHS bill a new Quango to take the responsibility away from the Minister for Health though.
The bonfire of the quangos does seem to have been curiously selective.
Are you of the Dally persuasion? i.e. believing that the NHS is inefficient? Despite international reports saying that compared with US private medicine, it provides far netter value for money?
As for benefits, you and I will never agree.
What with me being a Champagne Socialist and all.
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I had heart surgery during the year and the NHS was superb a much improved service under Labour. Is there room for improved processes - only a fool would believe there isn't room for improvement. Is it as good as the French model - perhaps not.
On benefits we will never agree so no point wasting time
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| Quote ="Mintball"Indeed! Any money spent on education, the NHS, the fire services, the judiciary, policing and similar things is money frittered away on something that's not part of the "the real world" © Sal Paradise.
Just think of all that money wasted on massive expense accounts for carers.'"
The key to Sal's post is the word INEFFICENT.
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| I think anyone who lives in the UK has a right to know at least this;
1) Why are we spending one billion pounds on one tube station in London (Tottenham Court Road -look it up) as part of the Crossrail contract. And how does that benefit the 70 precent of the people in the UK who don't visit London more than once a year?
2) Why are four of the five busiest airports in the UK in the South East, and why is that idiot Boris trying to get agreement to build another airport in the Thames Estuary?
3) There is a world outside the South East. Airports where people live might be a start. Recognise it.
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| Bloody hell Billy they will have the Olympics in London next
Get yourself down the M1 and enjoy the benefits of the south
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| Quote ="wire quin"Bloody hell Billy they will have the Olympics in London next
Get yourself down the M1 and enjoy the benefits of the south'"
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| Quote ="billypop"icon_biggrin.gif'"
What, living on top of everyone and having 3.5 M2 per person to live in? Marvellous! Or should that be amaaaaazing?
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| Quote ="billypop"I think anyone who lives in the UK has a right to know at least this;
1) Why are we spending one billion pounds on one tube station in London (Tottenham Court Road -look it up) as part of the Crossrail contract. And how does that benefit the 70 precent of the people in the UK who don't visit London more than once a year?
2) Why are four of the five busiest airports in the UK in the South East, and why is that idiot Boris trying to get agreement to build another airport in the Thames Estuary?
3) There is a world outside the South East. Airports where people live might be a start. Recognise it.'"
To be fair the airports are needed where people want to go from and go to. Like it or not that's mainly London. Teesside has an airport but apparently few people go there.
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| Quote ="Sal Paradise"I had heart surgery during the year '"
If it was to put one in I'd sue, they failed miserably
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| Quote ="cod'ead"If it was to put one in I'd sue, they failed miserably'"
That's harsh, he was complimentary of the NHS treatment he received, at least he's being fair minded unlike what you get from some posters here. People are allowed to have different opinions and still acknowledge the strengths of the arguments of the other side which is what Sal Paradise did.
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| Quote ="sally cinnamon"That's harsh, he was complimentary of the NHS treatment he received, at least he's being fair minded unlike what you get from some posters here. People are allowed to have different opinions and still acknowledge the strengths of the arguments of the other side which is what Sal Paradise did.'"
Dave Spart is alive and well on this forum and seems to have plenty of followers
Firstly it would stand to reason that the Labour popularity being more prevalent in the north and Rugby League being a northern sport that there would be more Left leaning posters on this forum.
It really does irritate me though when these same posters label any opposing view with such negative and derogatory language, when did peoples views become so polarised or is this just an Internet phenomenon?
I've lost count the amount of times I've been labelled a racist, xenophobe or bigot, not always directly but we have some clever people who throw veiled insults thinking certain people lack the intelligence to decipher exactly what they allude to.
I find it extremely laughable, if only these people actually knew me, my family, and my friends and personal experiences.
So Sal Paradise being 'attacked' doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
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| once a Spartist always a Spartist tho' more of a 'floating' Spartist nowadays.....
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"
I've lost count the amount of times I've been labelled a racist, xenophobe or bigot, not always directly but we have some clever people who throw veiled insults thinking certain people lack the intelligence to decipher exactly what they allude to.
I find it extremely laughable, if only these people actually knew me, my family, and my friends and personal experiences.
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Here's a little tip: if you don't make racist, xenophobic or bigoted remarks, you tend not to get labeled as such.
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| Quote ="billypop"I think anyone who lives in the UK has a right to know at least this;
1) Why are we spending one billion pounds on one tube station in London (Tottenham Court Road -look it up) as part of the Crossrail contract. And how does that benefit the 70 precent of the people in the UK who don't visit London more than once a year?
2) Why are four of the five busiest airports in the UK in the South East, and why is that idiot Boris trying to get agreement to build another airport in the Thames Estuary?
3) There is a world outside the South East. Airports where people live might be a start. Recognise it.'"
The major airports [iare[/i where most people live. And where most visitors to the UK want to go. Airport construction generally follows traffic, not [ivice versa[/i.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Here's a little tip: if you don't make racist, xenophobic or bigoted remarks, you tend not to get labeled as such.'"
Rubbish, disagree with religion and the left, and watch the character assassinations fly out.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Rubbish, disagree with religion and the left, and watch the character assassinations fly out.'"
If you can confuse "character assassination" with having your argument ripped to shreds, then I suggest this may not be the place for you
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| Really? It's the usual suspects throwing the same mud at different discussions knowing that eventually it'll stick, nothing to do with ripping anything to shreds.
Does having an Indian ex girlfriend, your best friend being of a different colour and ethnicity and being married to a Polish Jew make me, a bigot, xenophobe or racist?
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| Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean you're [inot[/i being followed though
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"
Does having an Indian ex girlfriend, your best friend being of a different colour and ethnicity and being married to a Polish Jew make me, a bigot, xenophobe or racist?'"
None of which excuse making bigoted, xenophobic or racist remarks. If you think they should, then you're even more simple than I first thought
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed" ... Does having an Indian ex girlfriend, your best friend being of a different colour and ethnicity and being married to a Polish Jew make me, a bigot, xenophobe or racist?'"
No.
Does having views to the left of yours make someone necessarily Spartist?
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| Quote ="El Barbudo"No.
Does having views to the left of yours make someone necessarily Spartist?'"
No, that comment wasn't aimed at all the people left side of centre.
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| Quote ="cod'ead"None of which excuse making bigoted, xenophobic or iour opinion, of which i value very little, you can't help yourself can you with your 'i think i'm right you're wrong so i'll insult you attitude', your attitude stinks.
You're obviously an intelligent person why not add 'mature' to your CV too?
If you think you're right and think you have the moral and intellectual high ground on any subject why do you feel the need to insult any and every poster who disagrees with you?
My example was a small example simply because i'm on my mobile, it takes forever to type out. I'm not a racist, i've never been a racist and to be labelled one is frankly very insulting, religion in my opinion is a silly superstition YET i've no issue with other people wasting their Friday/Saturday/Sunday praying to the magic man, it's their choice.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"No, that comment wasn't aimed at all the people left side of centre.'"
Ta, I'm happy with that.
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| Quote ="Horatio Yed"Quote ="cod'ead"None of which excuse making bigoted, xenophobic or iour opinion, of which i value very little, you can't help yourself can you with your 'i think i'm right you're wrong so i'll insult you attitude', your attitude stinks.
You're obviously an intelligent person why not add 'mature' to your CV too?
If you think you're right and think you have the moral and intellectual high ground on any subject why do you feel the need to insult any and every poster who disagrees with you?
My example was a small example simply because i'm on my mobile, it takes forever to type out. I'm not a racist, i've never been a racist and to be labelled one is frankly very insulting, religion in my opinion is a silly superstition YET i've no issue with other people wasting their Friday/Saturday/Sunday praying to the magic man, it's their choice.'" '"
Frankly I couldn't give a toss what you think of my opinion. You was the one who first started bleating about being unfairly labeled a racist, xenophobe or bigot. I simply pointed out that I know of no one on this forum who has been labeled a racist, xenophobe or bigot by not posting comments that could be construed as racist, xenophobic or bigoted.
Now if you'd care to return to discussing the thread, instead of whining about some ill-conceived victimisation, I'm sure everyone else would appreciate it
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| Quote ="cod'ead"Here's a little tip: if you don't make racist, xenophobic or bigoted remarks, you tend not to get labeled as such.'"
What a load of rubbish - on here virtually anyone who suggets non white British people are less than totally honest is accused by the likes of you being a racist - even if the facts support the post.
Perhaps you need to get off your high horse and out of your Gieves & Hawkes and understand you are not the arbitor of opinion. No one bleats more than you if anyone has the temerity to expose the weaknesses in your arguments.
Like Mintball you are protected and can post with impunity - "More equal than most" odd on board run by supposed socialists!!
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| If you have a legitimate complaint about moderation, you know the procedure.
Meanwhile, defending yourself against accusations of racism via a racist generalisation is just dumb. And sailing very close to the AUP.
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