Quote ="Durham Giant"This is a good article about Labour in Hartlepool. It is also interesting that a lot of left wing Labour supporters could not stomach voting Labour. His leaflet on St George’s day with nothing on it other than I am the candidate and with a St. George’s flag covering the other half did not help him either. Loads of people wanted rid of the traditional politicians completely. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... l-election'" So they're alienating leftys and normal ,way to go Kier

Quote ="Durham Giant"This is a good article about Labour in Hartlepool. It is also interesting that a lot of left wing Labour supporters could not stomach voting Labour. His leaflet on St George’s day with nothing on it other than I am the candidate and with a St. George’s flag covering the other half did not help him either. Loads of people wanted rid of the traditional politicians completely. https://www.newstatesman.com/politics/u ... l-election'" So they're alienating leftys and normal ,way to go Kier

Did you see. / hear the interviews of Hartlepool voters in why the voted Tory.

One said, ‘ we had no food banks under Labour now we have seven” and he thought that was a positive.

The two interviewed this morning on the beeb stood in the Trincomalee states they voted Tory because there were not enough police and the local hospital had been run down.


All of the above problems caused by the Tories in the last 11 years.

Soon we will have ID cards as people sleep walk into it and a Gerrymanded voting system under Boris

Still at least Cloughie keeps the flag flying for socialism .

Aye typical rich socialist ,do as I say not as I do

Almost every significant social improvement to working class lives in the past 100 years came from Labour governments. Why do you suppose the party which opposed, and in many cases continues to oppose those things, are the right choice for working people?

It's all about identity politics on the right now. Left of centre policies may be more popular but unfortunately for Labour that's pretty irrelevant.

You could at least try to present some semblance of a reasonable argument to encourage some discussion.

Brian Clough on Champagne Socialism:

‘Of course I’m a Champagne Socialist. The difference between me and a good Tory is he keeps his money while I share mine.’

I have a nice picture of clough on a March for striking miners .

Did he share his I'll gotten gains

This sort of argument makes little sense. The problem is collective. Individual contributions to a collective problem don't address the issue. Indeed they are probably that thing Tories say they hate (but do all the time) - virtue signalling.

Wow which Ash Sakar piece did you copy for this

I wonder when the bailiffs will turn up at 10 Downing Street following its occupant receiving a CCJ, this must be a first and you must be so proud.

Its a disgrace

So the clean air act was passed under a Tory government, Health and safety at work act all the work was done under the Heath government, factories act was a Tory bill, first housing act under the liberals - other than the NHS and minimum wage what have Labour done?

It could be argued by allowing union power to rise unchallenged they contributed to the annihilation of British industry?

Whilst, I would pay good money to watch the bailiffs remove his new sofa and furniture.
This is more likely to be a "supplier" who hasn't done what was wanted and Bojo will have dug his heels in.

CCJ's are as a result of someone who no longer has the ability to pay or, someone who doesn't feel that they should pay due to certain circumstances.

Much as I despise Bojo, he doesn't fit into the first category here.

Yes, a judgement has now been passed in court and he will have to cough up, probably very reluctantly but, this looks like another overblown "story".

They should keep digging though as I'm sure that they will find plenty of more serious misdemeanors.

A CCJ means a judge agrees that the debt is due and he had a month to pay. I believe that was six months ago. I suppose he wanted to experience what life was like for many under a conservative government, the next thing is that he will be having to collect food from the Harrods food bank. The food hampers given by the Sultan of Brunei were recently confiscated because they broke the rules so he can no longer rely on them.

Not really bothered about Boris or the Tories ,more .bothered about how far Labour have sunk under momentum
and the shower of they have got as a shadow cabinet

You're more bothered with people who aren't in power than the people who every day are making policy and crucial decisions affecting your life?

Don't you ever reflect and think maybe your priorities are wrong?

The Tories and their allies have done a wonderful job of framing Labour as simultaneously being a bunch of dangerous leftist radicals and the defenders of a failing and out touch liberal establishment, while distancing themselves from the last decade of Tory-led government under performance. From a presentational POV it is kinda brilliant.

If I was offering Labour a you-can-sum-up-in-three-words policy, it’d be ‘end child poverty’ (one more syllable than is ideal and ending it is always going to be an aspiration, but as Rashford showed only the most massive twunts are cool with kids being hungry).

Ending child poverty would be huge and would be an admirable aim.
However, Labour needs to offer something that the masses can buy into, something that makes Mr Average think that its worth changing their voting preference for.
Even though there is very little happening, the "levelling up" from the Tories was an excellent move. Smoke and mirrors and the pretence that lives would improve. Very simple and very clever.

All the average joe had to do was listen to labour's front bench ,Gardiner ,Ashworth ,Abbott,Thornberry ,Burgon at al to make up their mind ,if you could vote for that cabinet the more fool you and your ilk

I don't like to whatabout but have you seen the state of the actual cabinet actually running the country right now?

Most would agree with that if their parents were sacrificing everything else to feed/cloth their kids then something needs to be done - but when you see parents swopping food vouchers for cigs/alcohol then it would suggest that behavioural change is needed. If you pump more money in will the kids get fed better have better clothes or will their parents use the money for alternative pleasures.

The minimum wage has never been higher and continues to rise above inflation - in theory lower paid should have more disposable income. Supermarkets continue to lower prices to compete with Aldi which again must be a positive? How much cheaper do clothes need to be than Primark to cloth your kids adequately?

How many people who use food banks actually have no other means of feeding themselves? For me and we have had many discussions on here this is about priorities and getting them in the correct order.

I would suggest there are far more potential voters suffering due to the performance of the NHS during the pandemic and perhaps these are people who are more likely to vote also.

So what would be your three word, four beat opposition response to Build Back Better? From a purely political, election-fighting/winning perspective? I mean, that is sodding alliterative! Massive challenge. Although I suppose they could divert resources from their policy group because nobody cares anymore.

Aye mate I have ,I'm no Tory but jeez if you cant see the difference then wow just wow

Labour will win Batley and Spen at a canter

One is a bunch of near crooks who are doling out billions of pounds of money to their donors and friends.
The other comprises people of lesser and greater talents but with no indication they are in it for anything other than pursuing policy goals.

It helps if you don't read the right wing press, as I fear you may, because you're likely to get a somewhat jaundiced view of the world through that. Remember when they painted Ed Miliband, perhaps the most inoffensive politician imaginable, as some sort of commie, Britain-hating radical? It would be funny if so many people didn't form their opinions from these sources.

Or read the left wing press such as the New Statesman, Mirror or Socialist Worker who portrayed Theresa May as the baby eating bishop of Bath and Wells. Works both ways.