The use of "all" had two conditions, the age and location of the estates, as opposed to the sweeping generalisation of all estates regardless of location.

My point still stands, these estates aren't community hubs or whatever term they use anymore, they've become areas to dump those unwilling or unable to help themselves.
www.bbc.co.uk/history/domesday/d ... 00/page/11

The use of "all" had two conditions, the age and location of the estates, as opposed to the sweeping generalisation of all estates regardless of location.

My point still stands, these estates aren't community hubs or whatever term they use anymore, they've become areas to dump those unwilling or unable to help themselves.
www.bbc.co.uk/history/domesday/d ... 00/page/11

Its a self-fulfilling prophecy, you create a dumping ground for your districts worst tenants and then act surprised when things go downhill from there.

You could argue that its estate management that is lacking, that all that is required is for the council or housing association to take a bit of pride in their asset (the estate) and to filter out the ne'er-do-wells and wasters, and I'm sure there are many examples where this happens, in the example you quote there was obviously no thought put into what it would be like to actually live there, shops and school used to be the basic element of any decent housing scheme but unfortunately independent estate shops have been all but eliminated by supermarkets which in turn might not be the easiest to get to without a car or public transport, looking from the outside you'd call it "joined up thinking".

The estate that my wife grew up on was a prime example of going from being a brand new family estate of two and three bed houses in the 1960s to the councils dumping ground for druggies and dole-ites in the 1990s, fortunately someone at the council got a grip and they have turned the estate around now, rents on there are in excess of what can be gained on housing benefit so there is a need for an income even if its a minimum wage zero hours job, the place has improved substantially and there is now a waiting list again - it takes a little management from the owners and a few years of undoing all their mistakes but they got there in the end.

Its a self-fulfilling prophecy, you create a dumping ground for your districts worst tenants and then act surprised when things go downhill from there.

You could argue that its estate management that is lacking, that all that is required is for the council or housing association to take a bit of pride in their asset (the estate) and to filter out the ne'er-do-wells and wasters, and I'm sure there are many examples where this happens, in the example you quote there was obviously no thought put into what it would be like to actually live there, shops and school used to be the basic element of any decent housing scheme but unfortunately independent estate shops have been all but eliminated by supermarkets which in turn might not be the easiest to get to without a car or public transport, looking from the outside you'd call it "joined up thinking".

The estate that my wife grew up on was a prime example of going from being a brand new family estate of two and three bed houses in the 1960s to the councils dumping ground for druggies and dole-ites in the 1990s, fortunately someone at the council got a grip and they have turned the estate around now, rents on there are in excess of what can be gained on housing benefit so there is a need for an income even if its a minimum wage zero hours job, the place has improved substantially and there is now a waiting list again - it takes a little management from the owners and a few years of undoing all their mistakes but they got there in the end.